On Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 01:53:18PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 1:28 PM Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 09:55:48AM +0200, Clement Verna wrote: > > > > ...snip... > > > > (side note: can people please try and trim their replies to this list? > > I know gmail makes that hard, but it's anoying to read a thread where > > you have to keep hitting page down to get the next few lines of new > > text. Thanks in advance for anyone who can do this. :) > > > > I'm trying. There's a lot to reply to now... :) Yeah, indeed. ;( ...snip... > > I don't know if that's really true. You have a number of interesting > apps, you have relatively popular infrastructure methods. There are a > lot of people who'd like to learn and build skills in this sort of > thing. There's even containers and OpenShift stuff now, so you can > attract those people too! It's not all about the apps and methods tho. Sometimes is tedious or difficult work integrating things. ...snip... > > Well, there's potentially an opportunity here with all these people > being affected by... uhh... current global events? Could be. ...snip.... > Do we have any formal docs on this? Yes. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted is the landing page, there's bunches of stuff off those. We have a section in every weekly meeting when we talk to newcomers. We have daily irc standups reviewing incoming tickets and discussing ones anyone has questions on. We have mailing list and irc channels happy to answer questions as time permits. > Could we even just get the pagure ansible repo working[1] so I have > somewhere to send people to submit contributions? I'd love to be able > to just fork the repo, do some fixes, test it somewhere, and then > submit it for inclusion. > > [1]: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Infra/ansible We could, but I was waiting for this gitforge thing to settle down. Do we really want to move to there and then move to gitlab again in a short time? > If *I* had a magic wand, I'd be using it now. :) > > Sadly, creating viable communities takes hard work. It requires > research and outreach effort. What's worse, growth and sustainability > curves are usually exponential (phase 1), then logarithmic (phase 2). yes, and different communities have different needs and requirements too. ...snip talk about apps and communities... > > Honestly, the main app I have trouble seeing a broader community for > is Bodhi. It *could* be done, but I'd have to sit down and do a fair > bit of work to figure out what parts are "Fedora-only" verses > "Fedora-favored". It speaks volumes that even *Red Hat* doesn't use > Bodhi, and nor does RPM Fusion. Ironically I think there's some companies that use bodhi internally. I don't know who they were/are, but former developers told me they were actually using it. > Is there something else you'd like to see broader adoption on? I can > try to help push it along if I can identify folks that could be > interested in it. Let me try again... some apps we have indeed are of general interest or at least interest to people in fedora and you can form a community around that. Infrastructure is different. It's harder to ramp people up fast becasue you can't easily review everything that they would do before they do it. A lot of work is integration of those apps, day to day provisioning, collecting data for upstream bugs, etc. So, the needs are different. Not impossible, just different. We know in the past some of the people who appeared and started contributing worked themselves all the way up to our main group and root access on everything (off the top of my head: Jon Stanley, Randy, Rick Elrod, Me, Patrick, Pingou, Tflink, Luke Macken, Toshio, mizdebsk, Peter Robinson, and probibly others I am missing). If they all did it, whats missing today? anyhow, I have a bunch of stuff to do, so probibly my last reply today. kevin
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