On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:49 PM <jkonecny@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>
> As for Pagure itself, I think this is where we fundamentally
> disagree.
> I think it behooves us to own and provide an experience tailored for
> our community from beginning to end. That's why we have Koji, Bodhi,
> Dist-Git, and many other tools in that part of the lifecycle. The
> packager experience is literally the lifeblood of the project, and
> our
> contributors are the core of what makes Fedora successful. Pagure
> gives us an opportunity to do right by them that I *really* don't
> think we can do with any alternatives.
>
> That does *not* mean that CPE team should be the sole owner of the
> Pagure *codebase*. On that point, I agree. And that's why I've spent
> a
> lot of time and energy since late 2018 working on building up that
> community. It's finally starting to bear fruit too: there's at least
> one entity interested in building a product around it and
> contributing
> to help support that product, there's the FSF preparing to launch a
> new forge using Pagure, there's the Trisquel GNU+Linux distribution
> working on a Pagure deployment to host their code and packaging, and
> there's a few other things I've got up my sleeve to help broaden the
> community with not just users, but also contributors.
It's great to hear this. Thanks a lot Neal for trying to find
consumers. I'm not sure if this information was available to Fedora
infrastructure during the decision. It means that we may have another
contributors.
I think Fedora Infra should talk to these potential contributors to
find out how much they are willing to contribute to Pagure and re-think
the decision based on that.
We had awareness of other groups looking at Pagure and that was not a factor in our decision as it is not a concrete commitment with respect to a backlog of initiatives that would bridge a feature gap right now and in the future. Nor would it have helped with the SLA requirements and operational cost. It is heartwarming to see it get such attention though and it can only be positive things for the growth of the Pagure Community.
It's big difference if this is just a
Fedora tool or if it is used and developed by others too.
Jirka
>
> Are there deficiencies in Pagure? Of course there are. I'm not
> claiming that Pagure is perfect. But I think that keeping on with
> Pagure and giving that community an opportunity to close the gap on
> needed features for Fedora/CentOS/Red Hat is the right way to go.
> Right now, I don't *know* what the important gaps are. I can make
> some
> guesses, but it'd be a lot better if we had a list of missing
> features
> and their relative important and why. That would help focus
> development to meet those needs.
>
> The Fedora community itself has indicated that they want to keep on
> with Pagure, and many Fedorans are Pythonistas, which means that
> everyone can easily contribute to help make it better for everyone.
>
> Anyway, I hope this helps clarify my position on the matter!
>
> [1]:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/Y5XXXHJCSDMOHA7FEZ3DNZYPGCTZBVH6/
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