On 3/3/20 4:10 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
On 28/02/2020 10:00, Ankur Sinha wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 17:07:21 -0500, Dakota Williams via devel wrote:
On 2/26/20 6:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
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Would you like help? I'd be willing to be a co-maintainer to make the
branch.
Yes, I would welcome help with these packages
But there is also an increasing problem of making decisions about trust
In the case of developers who I haven't met or worked with, I don't
really know how to proceed
I've seen several extraordinary examples of developers doing things that
undermine my confidence in them over the last couple of years. The
fighting within GNU and FSF right now is the latest iteration of that.
Now, whenever I receive a request from somebody I don't know, there is
an extra effort for me to decide how to proceed.
Maybe I can simply resign from maintaining the asio package and then opt
out of the process of choosing a new maintainer.
Please don't take this personally: it is a reflection of the overall
state of free software communities today.
I don't know about the situation with the GNU project and the FSF, but if
there's something you'd like me to do to prove trust, I could do it.
I'd like to add that by default we trust each other, in the spirit of
being excellent to each other. In this particular case,
Why, then, have my replies to this thread never appeared in the mailing
list then, only to the people on CC?
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/thread/JGCY5GM42SR2BEXGNUP6C335IFEV66KD/
My own statement wasn't directed at any particular maintainer and
doesn't imply that I am ungrateful for any offers of help. I am very
grateful for those people, including Dakota, who reached out in a
positive way.
Trust is not a constant thing, it can change over time. The wider
atmosphere and the disappearance of messages from mailing lists
contributes to lower confidence.
Unfortunately, I now see several emails every week (not necessarily from
the Fedora mailing lists) that cause suspicion and concern. I then feel
a need to look at every other interaction more carefully.
When I mentioned the death of my father in a blog recently, my blog was
removed from Planet Fedora. Now it seems my emails go to a moderator
who doesn't have the time to keep up with all those censorship duties.
I find this behaviour incredibly insulting and degrading, I suspect
anybody in my position would feel the same way.
co-maintainership shares responsibility but does not hand it over
completely (the handing-over bit can be done at a later stage, if
necessary). Every change/commit/message is public, so there are plenty
of opportunities to catch any errors.
Given that we do not often meet our Fedora colleagues in person, it is
not viable to expect members of the community to prove trustworthiness
through personal relationships. We assume the best in each other, and if
things do get hairy, we have open community channels, processes, and
overseeing bodies through which changes can be emended.
My email was not a request for Dakota or anybody else to prove
trustworthiness, it was only a reflection of my own perception of things
going on in the wider free software community.
But based on what you say, I'm happy to give access to Dakota and I'd
also like to know if anybody else can help with the reSIProcate
packages. There is a new release in the pipeline and if somebody wants
to get involved, now is the time. We already made all the upstream
fixes required for it to work with the latest dependencies on Fedora.
Great, my FAS id is "raineforest". Where would you like me to start?
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