On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:10 AM Daniel Pocock <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On 28/02/2020 10:00, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 17:07:21 -0500, Dakota Williams via devel wrote: > >> On 2/26/20 6:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> <snip> > >>>> > >>>> Would you like help? I'd be willing to be a co-maintainer to make the > >>>> branch. > >>> > >>> Yes, I would welcome help with these packages > >>> > >>> But there is also an increasing problem of making decisions about trust > >>> > >>> In the case of developers who I haven't met or worked with, I don't > >>> really know how to proceed > >>> > >>> I've seen several extraordinary examples of developers doing things that > >>> undermine my confidence in them over the last couple of years. The > >>> fighting within GNU and FSF right now is the latest iteration of that. > >>> > >>> Now, whenever I receive a request from somebody I don't know, there is > >>> an extra effort for me to decide how to proceed. > >>> > >>> Maybe I can simply resign from maintaining the asio package and then opt > >>> out of the process of choosing a new maintainer. > >>> > >>> Please don't take this personally: it is a reflection of the overall > >>> state of free software communities today. > >>> > >> I don't know about the situation with the GNU project and the FSF, but if > >> there's something you'd like me to do to prove trust, I could do it. > > > > I'd like to add that by default we trust each other, in the spirit of > > being excellent to each other. In this particular case, > > Why, then, have my replies to this thread never appeared in the mailing > list then, only to the people on CC? > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/thread/JGCY5GM42SR2BEXGNUP6C335IFEV66KD/ > I do not know why. I have filed an issue with infrastructure to find out: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8713 > My own statement wasn't directed at any particular maintainer and > doesn't imply that I am ungrateful for any offers of help. I am very > grateful for those people, including Dakota, who reached out in a > positive way. > > Trust is not a constant thing, it can change over time. The wider > atmosphere and the disappearance of messages from mailing lists > contributes to lower confidence. > > Unfortunately, I now see several emails every week (not necessarily from > the Fedora mailing lists) that cause suspicion and concern. I then feel > a need to look at every other interaction more carefully. > > When I mentioned the death of my father in a blog recently, my blog was > removed from Planet Fedora. Now it seems my emails go to a moderator > who doesn't have the time to keep up with all those censorship duties. > I find this behaviour incredibly insulting and degrading, I suspect > anybody in my position would feel the same way. > I'm sorry about that. I don't know what happened there either. > > co-maintainership shares responsibility but does not hand it over > > completely (the handing-over bit can be done at a later stage, if > > necessary). Every change/commit/message is public, so there are plenty > > of opportunities to catch any errors. > > > > Given that we do not often meet our Fedora colleagues in person, it is > > not viable to expect members of the community to prove trustworthiness > > through personal relationships. We assume the best in each other, and if > > things do get hairy, we have open community channels, processes, and > > overseeing bodies through which changes can be emended. > > My email was not a request for Dakota or anybody else to prove > trustworthiness, it was only a reflection of my own perception of things > going on in the wider free software community. > > But based on what you say, I'm happy to give access to Dakota and I'd > also like to know if anybody else can help with the reSIProcate > packages. There is a new release in the pipeline and if somebody wants > to get involved, now is the time. We already made all the upstream > fixes required for it to work with the latest dependencies on Fedora. > Thanks for granting Dakota maintainer privileges for asio! :) I may be able to spare some cycles to help with reSIProcate (after I get out of my mountain of FTBFS issues...). I'm sure other folks here could help as well. :) -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
