On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:28 AM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This is based on random choice and personal whim, not objective reasoning. > That there is a process does not mean that the outcome is based on anything > more than various individuals' personal opinions. whim /(h)wim/ a sudden desire or change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained. Personal preference, how people and the Project choose to prioritize, what they choose to spend their time and effort on, is subjective. It is neither arbitrary nor random, and not whimsical. And it's inappropriate for you to say it is. There is nothing sudden about this proposal. It is not unusual. It has been laboriously explained. You just don't like what you're hearing. And you are resorting to a variety of slander in mischaracterizing people's decisions, through your word selection. > > >This is not the only change I am > > > > > > referring to. We've been in the habit of dropping things that work, with > > > no real reasons lately. For example, look at dropped x86 support, and > > > soon we will be dropping Python 2. We have already had several Python 2 > > > packages dropped simply because they refused to move to Python 3. This is > > > an ongoing issue, where everything considered "old" is just abandoned, > > > and it is hurting the user base. It is clear that is where we're headed > > > with this Change as well. As soon as these tests don't need to be done > > > before a release, they won't be done before a release, and we'll have a > > > release that has broken CD/ DVD images. > > > > > > Why demand that people become emotionally traumatized in advance of > > fantasy bugs, instead of sticking to facts and logical arguments? You > > do a disservice to valid arguments in favor of retaining the release > > criterion. > > Emotionally traumatized? Fantasy bugs? I'm afraid that I don't know what > you're referring to. Conjecture over bugs that do not exist, demanding they will inevitably exist, and hyping that some large number of users will be abandoned and injured and powerless to do anything about it, is a logical fallacy called appeal to emotion. The historic facts presented in this thread show this class of bug to be rare, and identifiable by virtual device. It is baseless and useless speculation that dropping this release criteria will result in undiscovered and unfixed bugs. Is it possible? Sure. Is it probable let alone certain? No. That is conjecture. Is it likely it will affect most of the user base? No. Most of the user base does USB based installs. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
