On Sat, 2019-12-14 at 14:25 +0000, Justin W. Flory wrote: > (2) USB media were always turned down in the Fedora budget requests > for Ambassadors/Advocates throughout the last decade. > > In the Ambassador/Advocate community, there are volunteers from North > America / Europe who advocated for Fedora USB keys for years. > Throughout my five or six years in Fedora now, these requests from > the community were always turned down because of cost. If memory > serve me correctly, the cost of mass-producing USB media for our > community was $100s of USD, if not $1000s, more. > > So, the other consequence of this Change could be that we leave a lot > of people doing valuable community work behind, because DVD media is > no longer release blocking and Fedora community advocates can't get > USB keys funded. (Except, somehow, Fedora-branded USB keys were > acquired for past FOSDEM events, I don't remember seeing this > decision work its way through the community though.) If there are all these thousands of people out there who care deeply about the optical media...wouldn't it be nice if some of them turned up and helped run the tests once in a while? > > Juts a random idea, not very thought-out: > > Could we keep optical media bugs reported by users as blocking, but not require > > it during validation testing? > > aka: Fedora QE would no longer have to verify optical media works. > > but: If a tester finds an optical media bug, it is still blocking. > > That would still have 2 of the 3 listed benefits. The remaining benefit is > > arguable (is optical media a corner case? there are no corners on DVD). > > For what it's worth, I like Miro's idea a lot but also haven't > thought about it extensively. I think this could prioritize these > issues as release-blocking when we don't have enough data to > understand the impact of this Change, but it also saves a lot of time > and effort on the QA team for shipping releases to focus on other > things. Another piece of feedback I'd be interested to know is how > often serious issues do come up when testing optical media, or if the > issue is that it is just a lot of manual work that is hard to do. Very very rarely. As Chris Murphy wrote, by pure coincidence one showed up the day before yesterday (to be clear, it has nothing at all to do with this Change proposal, the proposers of the Change were not aware of that bug until well after the Change was submitted). Before that the last time I can find, by searching my Bugzilla mail box for relevant words at least, is 2015: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1250440 the last time we had a *fatal* issue that I can find is 2014: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148087 Note, the testing isn't *hard* to do, really, it's just tedious and time consuming. Not just the act of running the test (though that does take quite a while, between the burning process and the boot, media check and install itself), but the fact that it means we need to ensure we have at least a couple of people who still have access to a DVD burner and blank media. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
