Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Disallow Empty Password By Default

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 5:38 PM John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:28:17 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
> > You know what is a work around and not a solution and is default? ~/
> > isn't encrypted. And the two install time options insist on restricted
> > character sets for the passphrase, the user must not change their
> > keyboard layout, or their keyboard to one with a different keymapping
> > - lest they experience data loss.
>
> $HOME is encrypted if you put it on an encrypted filesystem

You have a particular knack for pointing out the obvious as if you
think everyone is a moron. It's variably amusing and annoying.

>Additionally,
> that Anaconda restricts what the passphrase for the key sounds like a bug in
> Anaconda.

The idea is to protect the user from using characters that can't be
passed via plymouth to cryptsetup during startup. Known problem, I've
only cited it a couple times in this thread.

>The user can change their keyboard layout. That's fine. It wouldn't
> cause data loss.

The user experience is identical to data loss. The passphrase is
considered wrong, there's no feedback whatsoever to the user that the
keymapping has changed, that this is the actual problem.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1imiPyYBiTcE3zTsspOhKynWo7ysraRWC


> However, it would make it more difficult to unlock the
> system, if they forget they've changed the keyboard layout and regenerated
> their initramfs. (If they do it globally, if they just do it once the OS is
> booted, then they're good to go.)

Like I said, it's a user hostile experience.
>
> > The traditional way is unquestionably hostile to international users,
> > and doing better, however untraditional, is absolutely something I
> > strongly favor.
>
> How is it "hostile to international users"? "international users" generally
> set their keyboard layout to the one they use primarily.. Just like everyone
> else :)

Ok so you're not aware of the issues, and you persistently refuse to
go read the issue I've cited multiple times that discuss these
problems, which you previously categorically rejected as even
existing. So it's a stupid or weird game and I refuse to participate.


-- 
Chris Murphy
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