Re: Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Rebase apt package from apt-rpm to Debian's apt

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I'm not sure I understand this change.

Does it mean that currently, the "apt-rpm" is tool which installs RPMs
from Fedora repositories, while the Debians "apt" will install the DEB
packages coming from Debian?

Does it means that previously, there was only one glibc package
installed no matter what, but now I'll have the Fedora version coming
via RPM and also the Debian DEB version installed via apt?

Will these packages mix/conflict on the filesystem? Or may be they
wan't, because Debian is using slightly different directory structure ...


Vít


Dne 25. 11. 19 v 22:33 Ben Cotton napsal(a):
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Move_apt_package_from_RPM_to_DPKG_backend
>
> == Summary ==
> Currently the apt package in Fedora actually installs apt-rpm,
> starting with Fedora 32 it will provide the regular apt software
> backed by DPKG.
>
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:dridi| Dridi Boukelmoune]],  [[User:ngompa | Neal Gompa]]
> * Email: dridi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
> == Detailed Description ==
> The apt package in Fedora does not ship the mainline apt software from
> Debian, but rather the apt-rpm fork instead. This allows a user to
> copy and paste apt or apt-get commands often found in "Linux"
> tutorials. This will usually work, apt-rpm will resolve dependencies
> from the Yum/DNF repositories and since our package naming guidelines
> often lead to the same package names as apt-based distributions like
> Debian and Ubuntu.
>
> The apt-rpm software is dead upstream and doesn't support rich
> dependencies or modules. It also has known vulnerabilities and
> according to its author other bugs that are never going to be fixed.
>
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
> By switching the Fedora apt package from apt-rpm to regular apt we
> move from a dead to a living upstream. We also close security holes
> and introduce a critical dependency for more packages from the DPKG
> ecosystem. It is already possible to build Deb packages in Fedora,
> including with pbuilder, an equivalent for mock in the DPKG ecosystem,
> however pbuilder uses debootstrap to provision a build environment.
> While we may lose the ability to "apt-get install" Fedora packages
> from the command line, we also open the gate for sbuild, another mock
> equivalent to build Debs in a clean environment. This change offers
> more options to target Debian and derivative systems without leaving
> the Fedora comfort zone.
>
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners: re-review of the apt package with the proper
> upstream ([https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1764813
> RH#1764813]), and optionally more dependent packages.
> * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Release engineering: N/A (not needed for this Change)
> * Policies and guidelines: As apt would conflict with DNF for the host
> system, we may want to ship it without pre-configured repositories.
> * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
>
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
> Any user actively relying on apt-rpm will lose functionality that
> cannot be replaced. Because apt-rpm's version is much lower than the
> current apt version, this change will follow the natural upgrade path.
>
> == How To Test ==
> If sbuild is packaged in time for the beta, performing builds with
> sbuild should be enough to confirm that apt was able to provision a
> build root.
>
> == User Experience ==
> Anyone used to paste apt-get commands in a terminal will no longer be
> able to install or remove Fedora packages this way.
>
> On the other hand anyone needing regular apt tooling will be able to
> work with it directly from Fedora.
>
> == Dependencies ==
> Apt shouldn't bring more dependencies, it will be the dependency for
> more packages from the DPKG ecosystem.
>
> == Contingency Plan ==
>
> * Contingency mechanism: Simply retire apt (apt-rpm)
> * Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Blocks product? N/A
>
> == Documentation ==
> Once installed, apt ships multiple manual pages available in several
> languages. There will no longer be any references in the shipped apt
> package documentation of handling RPMs.
>
> == Release Notes ==
> The apt package has been rebased from apt-rpm to Debian's apt. This
> means that apt no longer supports handling RPMs or managing RPM-based
> systems. Please use dnf for software management of RPM-based systems
> and containers.
>
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