On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:44:52PM +0100, Miro Hroncok wrote: > Where is the end-user benefit with the modular default stream? I don't see > it either, sorry. It's not clear to me how those examples are related to my argument, which I could summarize as: a) multiple module streams have a benefit to users, and b) default streams have a benefit to package owners. > > This comes at a high cost to package owners if we have to keep > > non-modular packages - we have to maintain, build, and test X streams > > plus Y non-modular release branch builds for each component, rather than > > just X streams. > > Yes. This is the benefit of the default modular stream for the modular > maintainers. I have never questioned it. OK great, though it is a bit surprising to hear in a thread which you started explicitly to question the benefits of default modular streams. > In my opinion (and that is my very subjective opinion, but based on > experience) the cost of that difference is otherwise paid by everybody else. > > The group of everybody else is very much bigger than the group of modular > maintainers. Hence, I'd approve such trade off. So it's clear to me that you see that packagers chosing default streams over non-modular packages impose external costs on the rest of the distro (packagers and/or users?) somehow. This thread was supposed to focus on benefits, and these vague claims about costs and trade-offs seem speculative, but maybe you could expand on that a bit? Perhaps this stuff is obvious to others already. In RHEL8 while we have certainly hit various problems with modularity at least I don't recall my teams hitting major issues with default streams being available for non-modular packages. Regards, Joe _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
