On 13. 11. 19 6:17, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 3:17 AM Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
> So people would prefer no packages at all over packages in modules?
I see 2 reasons so far why some packages are module-only:
1. because a dependency of the package is module-only. That is exactly what
we want to prevent by proposing a ban on module-only packages.
2. because the maintainer wants to maintain only one version and chose the
modular one. Banning module-only packages will hopefully get the
maintainer to either maintain the non-modular version instead or to
maintain both versions after all.
Here you seem to be missing the third option packager may choose - maintain none
of them and say bye to Fedora. Which IMHO is the most likely outcome of all this.
It is certainly a valid case.
However, using the same logic, doing the module-only thing might have driven
other maintainers away as well. Already.
In my opinion, we better ban default modular streams sooner, when the number of
maintainers who are affected is low. And we must be very very careful to explain
ourselves to them. To apologies to them. To coordinate with them. To make them
feel like they are part of this project. We would not be doing this because we
don't want them. We should be doing this, because retrospectively, going to
modular-only was not a good decision. Something that might not be clear to them
at the beginning, when all the messaging was about how modularity is good and
when the voices of naysayers were drown out by the cheering for the new thing.
We are in an unfortunate situation. And we may activate a contingency plan that
is indeed not ideal for everybody. Or we may choose to ignore this and continue
to make the situation worse. Every step forward we take makes the contingency
more painful in the future.
I'm so sorry.
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