On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 20:27, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > So, literally every word of this is wrong. The negative feedback is > not "overwhelming". It is approximately four noisy individuals, all of > whom have expressed zero interest in understanding the actual > situation that they are trying to "fix" by endlessly insulting the > people working on the problem. Demoralizing the people who can dig us > out of this situation is an unwise strategy. > I realize you were tired and angry when reading this, but I want to say that I haven't put in my complaints because I find myself actually agreeing with the high level points pointed out by the 4 noisy individuals but find their method irritating and don't want to pile on. My main problem with modularity is that it has been used to 'weld the engine bonnet/hood shut'. One of the catchy phrases from the early years of Red Hat Linux was Bob Young's "Would you buy a car with the hood welded shut?" It was something that attracted me to RHL and then Fedora. I could get the things out of the OS and rebuild as I needed without bugging others or having to go set up more than a small home garage. I find however that modularity is being used as a tool to weld parts of the engine away and it drives me bonkers. I can't just take a bunch of rpms from download.fedoraproject.org and rebuild them with some options to get what I want. Instead I have to go dig into 'hidden' parts of koji and other places to then figure out the secret incantations used to stitch things together. Furthermore, I couldn't just use my home garage to build things.. I can't use rpmbuild or mock** to build a module set. Instead I was either supposed to send my things to the Fedora koji factory and wait in line for a build.. or I had to build an entire factory myself. The tools to let me experiment and work on this in my 'garage' always seemed to be delivered as afterthoughts which made me feel increasingly not wanted. [Again I realize that this is non-rational.. but it is the non-rational things which are driving this thread out..] I have found myself in complete sympathy with the various independent mechanics who can no longer work on various brands of cars because they manufacturer decided to use only custom tools. Sure I could work out and mill my own versions of those tools, but why should I when I never 'asked' for this problem and I thought the manufacturer was making cars that anyone could work on. ** I don't think it does yet, but msuchy (and team) may have added it somewhere as a feature of --chain or something. -- Stephen J Smoogen. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
