On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young <youngty1997@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I'll just cut to the chase. > > > About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia hardware wasn't working on Fedora. I observed this bug while trying out Fedora Silverblue 30's release but not in beta. I then later sent an email about this issue wherein Nvidia was immediately blamed for the bug despite this not being an issue on any other Linux distro. I was then asked to file a bug report and had provider information, which I did by doing multiple reinstalls of Silverblue/Workstation. > > > 2-3 months ago by and the bug report has been closed because I didn't and couldn't do a deep level analysis. I don't use Fedora, I use Arch Linux. This isn't my distro and I'm not the one that broke it to begin with. The only reason I was even trying it out is because I really like the whole immutable filesystem concept and was hoping that the bug and issues with it would be ironed out and that I could switch to it if Arch decided to take a dump. > > > Sadly the issues weren't last time I checked about a month ago. Silverblue repos are often out of sync with the rest of Fedora resulting in upgrades failing. You have to manually cleanup upgrade meta cache to get upgrades to work correctly(rpm-ostree cleanup -m). Fedora update servers in general are unstable and unreliable as hell, sometimes returning HTTP error codes or just being offline. Gnome Software doesn't display software correctly on the front page. There still is no way to add Flatpak external disks via Gnome-Settings as of 3.34. You can't use Rawhide with Nvidia drivers because of debug kernel. There is a lack of software compared to other Linux distros like Ubuntu or Arch(no Vivaldi!?!?). Fedora developers tend to be hostile towards proprietary software. etc. > > > No, Red Hat. Fedora Silverblue isn't easy to use. > No one is saying Silverblue is easy to use yet. Most of us know that Silverblue has plenty of warts and needs a ton of refinement to be useful for people beyond people who live in containers (a small group of people that matters a lot to Red Hat). We still offer Workstation. Just use that. :) > > ...but I digress... > > > I got the email and decided to check the nvidia-settings repo on Github[1]. Apparently, Someone has filed a bug report about overclocking on rootless X. org servers doesn't work[2]. I then downloaded Fedora Workstation and installed the Nvidia driver and checked which user the X. org server was running under. > > > Mini rant: By the way, update your damn installer images. Users shouldn't have to install 400MB of updates after they just install the distro. The installer image has Firefox 66 on it still! That's really freaking stupid. On my 5400RPM drive it takes a half hour to install all of that crap, which is longer than installing the distro itself or updating under Silverblue! > > > Yep, X. Org **ISN"T** running under root. Overclocking doesn't work either, same as before. > > > So I then tried making X. Org run as root using the Arch Wiki's guide[3] and verified that I was now running as root. > > > I was... and overclocking is now working. > > > ...seriously? You make a abrupt change to Fedora 30 literally right before it was released, breaking overclocking applications such as my own AND Nvidia's own software, and then blame Nvidia for your own screwup? Really? > Fedora and other distributions have been working on rootless Xorg since 2013. We've had it in place since at least 2015. This change was made way back in Fedora 24. > > So problem found. It was a problem in Fedora all along, like I said from nearly the beginning. Fix problems that **YOU** make instead of blaming Nvidia next time. > This is Nvidia's fault. It was hidden from you because sometimes the packaging for the proprietary Nvidia driver has forced non-rootless Xorg. I guess that's no longer the case, oh well. Talk to the packager for the Nvidia driver, or better yet, talk to Nvidia to get them to support rootless Xorg properly. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
