Le mercredi 31 juillet 2019 à 17:03 +0200, Andreas Tunek a écrit : > > > On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, 16:10 Nicolas Mailhot via devel, < > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Le 2019-07-31 14:13, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > > > > Hi Lennart > > > > > Note that there's a "stable" backport tree maintained outside of > > the > > > main repo: > > > > > > https://github.com/systemd/systemd-stable > > > > > > Either way, I doubt this discussion is relevant to Fedora, is it? > > > > It was when a lot of users could not test new Fedora devel kernels > > for > > about a month, because newer kernels exposed a bug in networkd, and > > the > > current systemd release + packaging process was unable to produce > > a > > Fedora devel systemd, that worked with Fedora devel kernels > > > > > > I thought Linux was supposed to never ever break username > > programmes? When you choose, like systemd, to rely heavily on kernel capabilities, with close integration, you pay a heavier price when mistake are made at the integration level (in this case, as far as I understand it, a latent networkd bug triggered by later kernel changes). And, mistakes happen in real life. So this kind of breakage is a natural and inevitable consequence of the way systemd was designed. It is not especially unexpected of scandalous by itself. What was *not* a natural consequence of design choices was the time taken to propagate the fix to affected systems. Broken networking when pretty much every system nowadays needs networking should have been a critical point-release fix, with downstream integrators just needing to bump their packaging/distribution process to the dot release update. Instead, as Lennart explained, systemd has no strong release discipline. systemd didn't provide anyone a fixed version (requiring fishing the fix in its git, and wasting integrator time). And when, finally, systemd makes a new release, it does not even use integrator and automation-friendly semver numbering, but the awful human-oriented rcx labelling, that requires manual mapping to be understood by automation (wasting yet more integrator time). So, the relevancy to Fedora, that Lennart did not see, is that all this lack of care, results in longer breakage time in Fedora. -- Nicolas Mailhot _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
