Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Limit Scriptlet Usage of core packages

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:47 AM Panu Matilainen <pmatilai@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 7/15/19 6:57 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:52 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:13:21AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Miroslav Suchý <msuchy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dne 10. 07. 19 v 9:19 James Antill napsal(a):
> >>>>> 2. adduser/group/etc. => sysusers files
> >>>>
> >>>> For anyone willing to do this in advance on his/her package - this is how you can do that:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/commit/cf4c8f076637755acc3cf4eb091d8ebb36020237
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is relevant FPC ticket:
> >>>>    https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/442
> >>>>
> >>>> Just for the record - this does not make things to run faster. You still have to have %pre scriptlets. It is likely even
> >>>> slower as you are running %posttranstrigger as well. The benefit is here only that we move toward declarative specification.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> That’s also going to fail, because the %pre script executes before the
> >>> file exists. That’s why these guidelines are broken, and why I
> >>> suggested we deal with sysusers differently.
> >>
> >> Oops, you're right. As /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d/macros.systemd says,
> >> %sysusers_create is "deprecated. Use %sysusers_create_package instead".
> >>
> >
> > It’d be better to subpackage it and have a file trigger that runs for
> > each package that contains those files and creates the sysusers. That
> > ensures ordering, existence, and makes it reliable. Subpackages will
> > also allow other packages to be able to depend on those if needed
> > without the software (e.g. apache user being used by both apache httpd
> > and nginx).
>
> I was about to say sub-packages seem a bit heavy solution to user
> creation but instead I'm going to say that thinking about it a bit, it
> is a pretty powerful solution (user/group -dependencies being a nice
> example) and one that actually works by leveraging widely deployed rpm
> mechanisms.
>
> And since that's used by OpenSUSE then basically we just need to adopt a
> working solution, and we'd be increasing unity in the packaging world as
> an extra bonus.
>
> So a big +1 for sysusers in sub-packages + file trigger to handle
> running systemd-sysusers. It solves more problems than the current
> sysusers-proposal and in a far more elegant way at that.
>

The ideal would be that RPM would have native functionality for
managing these things, but this is the next best thing, in my view.



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