Hi,
I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to install, compile from source and easily switch between JDK builds. However, Fedora fails to meet these requirements so badly I'm fairly certain whoever packaged and approved the various Java RPMs was on shrooms(partial offense, sorry but this is nuts).
Confused? Never installed Java in Fedora before? Lets go down the rabbit hole together!
Firstly, the java version installed by doing:
rpm-ostree install java
gets you Java 8. I understand that Red Hat is providing support until sometime 2023 however I feel it to be much more appropriate that this either gives the latest LTS(11 currently) or the newest JDK(12 currently). Even if still technically support, installing a JRE that old isn't likey to be advised. Even in Ubuntu 18.10 you get Java 11.
OK, so just specify the specific versions that you actually need and everything will work as it should. No big deal, right? Nope.
alternatives(see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java), which is supposed to allow you to switch between Java versions, flat out doesn't work. You tell it to list all alternatives like so:
alternatives --display java
and the command executes without printing anything. Odd. Let's just check what's in /usr/lib/jvm for a sanity check:
ls /usr/lib/jvm
java-11-openjdk-11.0.2.7-7.fc30.x86_64
java-12-openjdk-12.0.0.33-1.ea.1.rolling.fc30.x86_64
java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.201.b09-6.fc30.x86_64
jre
jre-11
jre-11-openjdk
jre-11-openjdk-11.0.2.7-7.fc30.x86_64
jre-12
jre-12-openjdk
jre-12-openjdk-12.0.0.33-1.ea.1.rolling.fc30.x86_64
jre-1.8.0
jre-1.8.0-openjdk
jre-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.201.b09-6.fc30.x86_64
jre-openjdk
java-12-openjdk-12.0.0.33-1.ea.1.rolling.fc30.x86_64
java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.201.b09-6.fc30.x86_64
jre
jre-11
jre-11-openjdk
jre-11-openjdk-11.0.2.7-7.fc30.x86_64
jre-12
jre-12-openjdk
jre-12-openjdk-12.0.0.33-1.ea.1.rolling.fc30.x86_64
jre-1.8.0
jre-1.8.0-openjdk
jre-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.201.b09-6.fc30.x86_64
jre-openjdk
...
What. I only installed Java 8, Java 11, and Java 12. Installing Java on either Ubuntu and Arch doesn't duplicate any JRE/JDK like this.
OK, so lets open it in nautilus:
nautilus /usr/lib/jvm
Those aren't duplicates, all but 3 folders are system links? What? This should be the one and only system location for JRE/JDK(s). What's going on here? Where do they go?
They go to /etc/alternatives. I guess this is supposed to be how alternatives finds alternative JRE/JDK installs. Ubuntu doesn't have to do this for update-alternatives nor does Arch's archlinux-_javascript_ but... OK. This is insanely complicated for no real good reason.
But wait, we aren't done yet because what's being linked to from /usr/lib/jvm isn't a file, it's... another system link. Back to the 3 non system links in /usr/lib/jvm which have horrendously long and complex folder names. Is calling them java-<version>-<jre/jdk>-<oracle/zulu/openjdk> not enough?
To top this "what" fest off, the JRE/JDK folders in /etc/alternatives aren't even named properly. That is to say, "jre" is attached to the front even if what's being linked is a JDK. Yes, a JDK contains a JRE but it's still horribly confusing for no good reason. Like, imagining if alternatives did work, does it list duplicate entries for each JRE/JDK? For example:
jre_11
java-11-openjdk
which(again) system link to the same JDK install.
What shroom induced insanity is this? Why does alternatives not work?
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