On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 1:24 PM Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Le 2019-03-26 12:29, Dridi Boukelmoune a écrit : > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:43 AM Nicolas Mailhot > > <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> Le 2019-03-25 22:47, Japheth Cleaver a écrit : > >> > If you can take a one-time hit to > >> > remove bashisms and get a 25-40% improvement, > >> > >> CPU time is cheap, packager time is not. Exchanging CPU time for "you > >> all should learn to write POSIX-only shell scripts" would be an awful > >> deal. The Java part of Fedora is slowly imploding right now because a > >> lot of people pushed their complexity on packagers, and the packagers > >> could not cope. The Fedora target should be to help packagers achieve > >> more with less work, not achieve less with more work. > > > > I think the Java ecosystem is before all imploding because of build > > tools > > promoting a quadratic complexity of dependencies in a "community" not > > bothered to maintain compatibility in libraries and as a result the > > other > > side of the community coin not updating dependencies they consume > > unless they feel like they need it. > > It's an ecosystem where tools do not orient devs towards easy to > integrate choices. It's imploding because someone decided a long time > ago @SUN not to bother optimising the integrator/packager time,and all > the efforts to change the Java community values since have failed (and > someone should look hard @RH why it has not leveraged its stake in > JBoss/OpenJDK to improve the situation). > > Another victim of those choices and Java ecosystem values was Oracle > that found itself unable to release timely JDK security fixes when it > had to in the first years after it bought SUN, the integrator chain it > bought from SUN was that much broken. I was rather thinking about all the damage made on the java ecosystem by the introduction of maven but fair enough. > Packager time is not cheap, it's not inexhaustible, it runs out. Wasting > it on bashisms is not smart. As I said, I don't care if Fedora wants to have bash as the default shell, especially as the default RPM script interpreter. It's specifically /bin/sh being bash that bothers me as a Fedora end-user. Dridi _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
