Le 2019-03-26 12:29, Dridi Boukelmoune a écrit :
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:43 AM Nicolas Mailhot
<nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Le 2019-03-25 22:47, Japheth Cleaver a écrit :
> If you can take a one-time hit to
> remove bashisms and get a 25-40% improvement,
CPU time is cheap, packager time is not. Exchanging CPU time for "you
all should learn to write POSIX-only shell scripts" would be an awful
deal. The Java part of Fedora is slowly imploding right now because a
lot of people pushed their complexity on packagers, and the packagers
could not cope. The Fedora target should be to help packagers achieve
more with less work, not achieve less with more work.
I think the Java ecosystem is before all imploding because of build
tools
promoting a quadratic complexity of dependencies in a "community" not
bothered to maintain compatibility in libraries and as a result the
other
side of the community coin not updating dependencies they consume
unless they feel like they need it.
It's an ecosystem where tools do not orient devs towards easy to
integrate choices. It's imploding because someone decided a long time
ago @SUN not to bother optimising the integrator/packager time,and all
the efforts to change the Java community values since have failed (and
someone should look hard @RH why it has not leveraged its stake in
JBoss/OpenJDK to improve the situation).
Another victim of those choices and Java ecosystem values was Oracle
that found itself unable to release timely JDK security fixes when it
had to in the first years after it bought SUN, the integrator chain it
bought from SUN was that much broken.
Packager time is not cheap, it's not inexhaustible, it runs out. Wasting
it on bashisms is not smart.
--
Nicolas Mailhot
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