On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:36:00 +1100, Martin Sevior <msevior@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >I don't feel much loyality to FC > or RedHat anymore. That's unfortunate, especially since we are now seeing public facing progress in Extras and the newly established contributor process in place. If there is nothing that can be said to encourage you to take a constructive role in the evolving contributor process during its critical initial stages, then please, check back from time to time as the process matures and Core evolves accordingly. The situation we are in now.. with the inclusion of java is a rather extradinary event, and I dare say would have lead to similar packaging decisions by Red Hat if it happened in the rhl timeframe. We can either agree with the decision and the constraints or we disagree.. but please lets not imply malice in the decision-making. I hope you check back into the process in the fc5 timeframe when the discussion to make Core drastically smaller takes on much more weight if the anaconda development plan holds true to expected timeframe for repo support. If it wasn't clear before... I'll repeat it. I'm pretty sure everyone with a stake in the race hoped to get Extras up on its feet quicker. And for whomever I'm allowed to speak for, I apologize for it taking this long. But now that its here, everyone has a choice to make to be involved or not. Core is going to get smaller, Extras is going to take on more weight through the next few releases... in an evolutionary way. The end result will not look exactly like ubuntu, but things are going to move somewhat into that direction which means a non-trivial number of packages is going to move out of Core into Extras over time.. and Extras will take on more importance as a result. We can't snap our fingers and make that happen overnight. And its far more constructive to focus on thinking and working about how Extras needs to operate in an fc6 timescale than to continue to morn decisions Red Hat has already made. -jef"No one in the sum total of human history has ever felt a deeper rage than what I felt when oneko was ripped out of rhl. I fell into a darkness, deep and bottomless. I wandered the earth, lost and forlorn searching for meaning. I swore an oath to seek my revenge on those who have hurt me so. I have fought a daily struggle to break open the Red gates so that I have can get oneko back into distribution. And now that Fedora Extras is finally here and my goal is at hand, its not so compelling anymore cuz xdesktopwaves is sooo much cooler."spaleta
