On 11/15/2018 3:54 PM, Jason Tibbitts wrote:
And to add in an additional argument that we didn't have a decade ago: We're actually trying to evolve our packaging now. EPEL with it's "old RPM never changes" restriction is bad enough but fortunately limited in scope. Having years of Fedora releases that can never evolve but which still hold back progress in Rawhide is just too much. Really, this is what our downstream distributions RHEL and CentOS are for. That was the answer then and I don't see why it doesn't still apply.
I'm not sure why punting like this is a good thing. RPM is a standard, moving along at what one might expect a core component to do, but to the extent that "evolving our packaging" means doing things at odds with or in an incompatible way other distros (whether downstream, "downstream", or not) this is not a feature, or very nice.
The use of *-rpm-macros packages to try to standardize deltas across distros helps, but calls out for a more organized and systemic, cross-distro and cross-release ecosystem approach. It's ugly enough now that IMHO any LTS discussion needs to take this into consideration even more.
"Let's remove Group tags from Rawhide specs because we don't like them, even though every other distro uses them and they're staying in RPM" is not a particularly positive recent example of Fedora stewardship over packaging, and I'm sure any EL6 sysadmin can provide more examples from the last decade.
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