On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 11:45, <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > But there are some good cases for a longer lifecycle. For one thing, this has been a really big blocker for getting Fedora shipped on hardware. Second, there are people who really could be happily running Fedora but since we don't check the tickbox, they don't even look at us seriously. I'd love to change these things. To do that, we need something that lasts for 36-48 months. > > > Is 36 months an absolute minimum for getting onto consumer laptops? > > Don't underestimate the difficulty of adding an extra year. 48 months is a *lot* harder than 36. 36 is a lot harder than 24 or 27 (2 years plus 3 month upgrade window). > >From what I have talked with in the past.. 3 years is their bare minimum and 7 is their what we really want. It usually takes the vendor about 3-6 months of work to make sure the OS works on their hardware without major problems and then they want people to buy support contracts for 3-5 years where the number of problems needed in year 3-5 are none. [This means that they want to have Fedora N for 3-6 months before their laptops ship with it. So you ship them a frozen preload before you release to public. They also want any shipped to 'last' for the warranty cycle because trying to deal with update questions when N eol's in the middle costs them a lot.] This matches the majority of laptop buyers whether they are developers or home users. They cycle a laptop 4 to 5 years with 7-8 looking to be the new average. They also don't update their OS unless it does it auto-magically for them. This is where the majority of profits for laptop sales come from so the manufacturers aim to please this segment most. There isn't a large margin on laptop sales anymore -- Stephen J Smoogen. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
