On 09/28/2018 02:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: >> Modules with their API specifications at least make it more clear what >> are expectations about packages. Something user may consider essential >> is only a build dependency for a packager and the packages won't receive >> enough attention from the maintainer. > > As I wrote in another thread: Any packages that are used to build packages > that are delivered to the users MUST also themselves be delivered to the > users in a self-hosting distribution. This is the definition of > "self-hosting". It is also required to comply with some copyleft licenses. This is already not met for Fedora. Lets look at ant package which you mentioned earlier. Ant 1.10.2 was built with a chain build [1]. This chain build can be represented as: ant-1.10.1-9.fc28 -> ant-1.10.2-0.1.fc28 -> ant-1.10.2-1.fc28 Chain build was necessary because: - Ant is built with Ant. - Ant 1.10.2 requires Ant 1.10.2 to build. - Ant 1.10.2 can't be built with Ant 1.10.1 without patching. Intermediary build ant-1.10.2-0.1.fc28 (which release starts with 0 to make it clear it's a bootstrap build) was never shipped to users. It was used only as a buildroot override that was active for less than 5 minutes: Tue Mar 6 14:13:24 2018 ant-1.10.2-0.1.fc28 tagged into f28-override Tue Mar 6 14:17:49 2018 ant-1.10.2-0.1.fc28 untagged from f28-override Moreover, this intermediary build was already deleted [2] from Koji. Users that want to reproduce Ant 1.10.2 build would need to repeat series of builds and rely on information stored in Koji to know what builds should be ran in what order. Trying to build packages only from content released to users would be even more difficult. This also shows why Java package maintenance may be time consuming and why I'm looking for ways to reduce maintenance work - even micro version bumps like 1.10.1 to 1.10.2 may require bootstrapping. Bootstrapping developed specifically for particular upgrade. [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=25518471 [2] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1027958 -- Mikolaj Izdebski Senior Software Engineer, Red Hat IRC: mizdebsk _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
