On Thu, 2018-09-06 at 10:13 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Adam Williamson > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-09-05 at 12:14 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > My opinion, since there are few facts to go on to overcome the burden > > > stated in a written process and schedule for some time, is -1 FE. If > > > it was important enough to get 3.30 on actual Beta installation media, > > > it needed to be done before freeze. Not depend on a freeze exception. > > > That is definitely not how things are supposed to work. > > > > As it happens, it is how things have been working, though. We've > > granted freeze exceptions for GNOME megaupdates for many of the last > > several releases (I can go back and get precise numbers if you like). > > That's OK. Besides, there's some chance I have voted +1 FE for a GNOME > megaupdate, not least of which is because: > > > > Notably, I can't recall a single instance where they broke the world. > > This is not something I can say about a lot of packages, so I think the > > desktop team deserves some credit and trust for that. > > For sure. But that is orthogonal to freeze exception. It's like using > FE as some kind of Good Job sticker. I wouldn't say it's orthogonal, at all. It's a significant factor. It's true to say that we shouldn't grant something FE status *solely because* we don't think it's likely to break anything terribly. It's not *sufficient* justification in itself. But if there is, let's say, a plausible case for "there are some good reasons to let this in Beta" but *also* a plausible case for "...but it's kinda late and we don't absolutely *need* it and it's change!", then the track record of that team and that kind of change absolutely does factor into whether I'm likely to vote +1. > And we all know there is increased probability that blocker bugs are > not found or are found later than otherwise, because of diverted > attention toward testing the megaupdate. There is no way of predicting > or assessing this, but logically it's true. And so this particular > usage of freeze exception ends up having more in common with craps, > than a well deserved Good Job sticker. Eh. I don't think more people testing Workstation, for whatever reason, is really going to be a *bad* thing. Maybe the increased attention causes us to find a blocker we'd otherwise have missed? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
