Re: Proposal: Reduce *-devel packages dependencies on other unneeded *-devel packages

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On 08/12/2018 02:07 PM, JD wrote:
What about dependencies of dependencies? Have you thought of that?

Sorry, I don't get the question, these are devel packages, not runtime libraries, these dependencies of dependencies are already pulled if I install gtk3, but code that only links with GTK3, only needs gtk3-devel to be built, the others devel packages are only needed if my code links to them directly.


On 08/12/2018 11:07 AM, Robert Marcano wrote:
On 08/12/2018 12:46 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Robert Marcano wrote:

And thinking about it, a lot *-devel packages interdependencies should
be Recommends and not Requires

You keep saying this, I'd like to see some evidence to support that.

Example below. why do I need all these dependencies, when I only link directly with gtk3 widgets? some of those are only there because gtk links against them and maybe I will link with them too, but some are so low level that doesn't make sense.

I should be able, for example, to build a very small container image that only contains the devel packages I really link with, to use on my builders (using install_weak_deps=False or any other solution).

But anyways, these are only ideas to help reduce the chance of people overlinking. Maybe I am wrong on liking less implicit dependencies when installing devel packages.

# dnf install gtk3-devel
Last metadata expiration check: 0:42:52 ago on Sun 12 Aug 2018 12:11:09 PM -04.
Dependencies resolved.
========================================================================================================  Package                        Arch Version                              Repository      Size ========================================================================================================
Installing:
 gtk3-devel                     x86_64 3.22.30-1.fc28                       fedora         4.4 M
Installing dependencies:
 at-spi2-atk-devel              x86_64 2.26.2-1.fc28                        fedora          18 k  at-spi2-core-devel             x86_64 2.28.0-1.fc28                        fedora         142 k  atk-devel                      x86_64 2.28.1-1.fc28                        fedora         191 k  bzip2-devel                    x86_64 1.0.6-26.fc28                        fedora         223 k  cairo-devel                    x86_64 1.15.12-2.fc28                       updates        271 k  cairo-gobject-devel            x86_64 1.15.12-2.fc28                       updates         24 k  cmake-filesystem               x86_64 3.11.2-1.fc28                        updates         38 k  dbus-devel                     x86_64 1:1.12.10-1.fc28                     updates         65 k  expat-devel                    x86_64 2.2.5-3.fc28                         fedora          54 k  fontconfig-devel               x86_64 2.13.0-4.fc28                        updates        144 k  freetype-devel                 x86_64 2.8-10.fc28                          fedora         453 k  fribidi-devel                  x86_64 1.0.2-1.fc28                         updates         30 k  gdk-pixbuf2-devel              x86_64 2.36.12-1.fc28                       fedora         221 k  graphite2-devel                x86_64 1.3.10-5.fc28                        fedora          44 k  harfbuzz-devel                 x86_64 1.7.5-3.fc28                         fedora         180 k  libX11-devel                   x86_64 1.6.5-7.fc28                         fedora         985 k  libXau-devel                   x86_64 1.0.8-11.fc28                        fedora          19 k  libXcomposite-devel            x86_64 0.4.4-12.fc28                        fedora          21 k  libXcursor-devel               x86_64 1.1.15-1.fc28                        fedora          28 k  libXdamage-devel               x86_64 1.1.4-12.fc28                        fedora          14 k  libXext-devel                  x86_64 1.3.3-8.fc28                         fedora          79 k  libXfixes-devel                x86_64 5.0.3-5.fc28                         fedora          18 k  libXft-devel                   x86_64 2.3.2-8.fc28                         fedora          24 k  libXi-devel                    x86_64 1.7.9-6.fc28                         fedora         110 k  libXinerama-devel              x86_64 1.1.3-10.fc28                        fedora          18 k  libXrandr-devel                x86_64 1.5.1-5.fc28                         fedora          25 k  libXrender-devel               x86_64 0.9.10-5.fc28                        fedora          21 k  libXxf86vm-devel               x86_64 1.1.4-7.fc28                         fedora          23 k  libdrm-devel                   x86_64 2.4.93-1.fc28                        updates        142 k  libepoxy-devel                 x86_64 1.5.2-1.fc28                         updates        141 k  libglvnd-core-devel            x86_64 1:1.0.1-0.7.git5baa1e5.fc28          updates         23 k  libglvnd-devel                 x86_64 1:1.0.1-0.7.git5baa1e5.fc28          updates         15 k  libglvnd-opengl                x86_64 1:1.0.1-0.7.git5baa1e5.fc28          updates         47 k  libicu-devel                   x86_64 60.2-2.fc28                          fedora         920 k  libpng-devel                   x86_64 2:1.6.34-6.fc28                      updates        326 k  libuuid-devel                  x86_64 2.32.1-1.fc28                        updates         91 k  libxcb-devel                   x86_64 1.13-1.fc28                          fedora         1.1 M  libxkbcommon-devel             x86_64 0.8.0-5.fc28                         updates         59 k  mesa-libEGL-devel              x86_64 18.0.5-3.fc28                        updates         47 k  mesa-libGL-devel               x86_64 18.0.5-3.fc28                        updates        173 k  pango-devel                    x86_64 1.42.3-1.fc28                        updates        320 k  pixman-devel                   x86_64 0.34.0-8.fc28                        updates         19 k  wayland-devel                  x86_64 1.15.0-1.fc28                        fedora         145 k  wayland-protocols-devel        noarch 1.14-1.fc28                          updates         69 k  xorg-x11-proto-devel           noarch 2018.4-1.fc28                        fedora         282 k

Transaction Summary
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Install  46 Packages



-- Rex
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