On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 18:18 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:30 PM Adam Williamson > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 16:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 02:54:07PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > > > > IMHO deprecate != remove, but rather mark for removal in some next release. > > > > > Should the change be called differently? > > > > > > > > Especially since Yum has been called "yum-deprecated" for several > > > > releases already. > > > > > > How about "Replace Yum 3 with Yum 4, powered by DNF"? This would bring > > > us in line with what's happening in the Enterprise Linux space. > > > > > > (See > > > https://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/ConfigManagementSIG/YUM4) > > > > But in Fedora land, we've spent several years selling the message "yum > > is gone and replaced with this new thing called dnf". It would be > > rather confusing to suddenly start selling the message "oh hey yum is > > back only now it's sort of dnf but sort of not dnf". > > It's still dnf. In fact, I believe /usr/bin/dnf would even still > exist. However, dnf has come significantly closer to yum > functionality since it was first introduced and reuniting isn't a bad > idea. > > I understand where you're coming from, but I think we should take the > opportunity to correct now. We (and I do mean we as someone that > pushed for not calling it yum) had valid reasons to separate it in the > past, but those reasons are becoming increasingly invalid. Sticking > with the dnf name is going to become a forced split going forward for > little benefit. I'm happy to eat my own words and say we should > probably focus around a single package manager name at this point. > > > It's different from the EL situation because EL never really had the > > "dnf is the new thing" phase. If you're going from EL 7 to The Next EL > > you're just going from yum 3 to "yum 4". > > Yeah, but if you play in both spaces continuing to call it "dnf" in > Fedora and "yum4" in EL is forcing a mental break that doesn't really > need to be there. So I may have missed the latest shiny plans here - I thought the plan was that dnf would provide a 'yum' CLI command which was as close as possible to compatible with yum 3, but *also* provide a 'dnf' CLI command which was more like the 'current' dnf CLI in Fedora. Is that still the case? Or is there just going to be one true CLI command now? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/DVXOIG7NLV2U5SKOWPWYFBWUTCU4AKK7/
