On Friday, 01 June 2018 at 12:53, Hans de Goede wrote: > On 01-06-18 11:54, Tomas Kovar wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have two suggestions: > > > > - on UEFI systems, would it be possible to use an EFI variable to force grub menu? That way, it would be possible to enter the menu from UEFI boot loader or shell, even if the system itself is in non-working state or on read-only device. > > That is a good idea I've added looking into this to my TODO list. What about UEFI systems where there's no way to get into EFI shell because firmware is deliberately broken by the vendor to prevent booting anything apart from Windows? I managed to get Fedora booting with SecureBoot enabled on my system only by manually setting the name of its boot entry to "Windows Boot Manager". There's no option to boot anything else because any BootNext/BootOrder options set with efibootmgr get ignored. I'm sure my machine is not an exception in this regard, so you cannot rely on users being able to do anything before GRUB comes up. Disabling the GRUB menu and shortening timeouts is a bad idea in my opinion. You don't boot so often these days and when you need to access the GRUB menu, you usually do because something is broken and you don't want to poke around the internet to find out how to do that in Fedora because you might even have no internet access. There needs to be a clear hint on the screen how to access the menu visible long enough for the user to read it. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPMFusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/2QHAMBHS7FA6OXQWNH4CXGL4WXWWGMKA/
