>>>> Greetings. >>>> >>>> Some folks may have noticed that there have been no completed rawhide >>>> composes in a while (13 days as of today). >>>> >>>> This has been due to a variety of bugs and issues, along with pungi now >>>> failing composes that don't have all required release blocking items. >>> >>> Is there a way we can loosen that up for rawhide and have it tightened >>> down for branched. I think it's worth while to have at least a flow of >>> the everything repository out on a regular basis like the old pre >>> pungi-4 use to do. >> >> Possibly yes. But I think the idea was to do it for rawhide as well and >> thus always be at least "Alpha" quality so we could not do alpha anymore. > > That was my take on the "no more alphas". If we can't do this then we > are going to have to look at doing an alpha in the schedule because it > is clear we aren't able to stabilize enough for that promise to exist. For actual artifacts such as cloud/disk/installer images I agree but at least pushing out individual packages so people can do "dnf upgrade" picks up issues such as dependency issues that also kill the compose and allows people to still test explicit parts and have the composite parts of a "rolling release" and get things fixed.... I feel that's better than dragging everything to a blinding halt like we have for the last 13... or is it 14 days? I can't help but feel this is like British politics is ATM where people are claiming everything is "strong and stable" while the wheels have fallen off and are rolling down the road. I don't think pushing out the Everything repo stops the "kill off Alpha" process from happening, in fact I believe it means it's more likely to happen because if the last two weeks shows anything all that happens is that if we wait for a "everything is perfect ship it" we never will and because nothing is shipped nothing is tested so once we get to the "computer thinks it's good" we can get to the actual testing and then we get to "what the hell changed in the last two weeks broke X, Y and Z, are they related or completely independent?" process. I think the all or nothing actually makes it less likely for us to ever ship anything! I don't think shipping the traditional "Everything" repo breaks the "kill Alpha" proposal, I think we need to be pragmatic and realise that people actually consuming content helps that. Peter "yes I live in the as strong and stable as a house of cards country so I can joke/comment on it" R _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
