Re: F27 System Wide Change: No More Alphas

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On 02/21/2017 03:33 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> El mar, 21-02-2017 a las 01:56 +0100, Ralf Corsepius escribió:
>> On 02/21/2017 01:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +0000
>>> "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> ...snip...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me
>>>> even
>>>> with just the few pieces I absolutely need. Tumbleweed, for all
>>>> it's
>>>> promise of "latest and greatest", is not supported by enough
>>>> third
>>>> parties to be useful even as just a host. And sid is, well, sid.
>>>
>>> I'm curious what issues you hit with Rawhide? Have any examples?
>>
>> Current rawhide (== Feb 15) does not match with what the builders
>> use. 
>> => It's impossible to locally investigate runtime bugs
>>
>> Real world example:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1425129
>>
> Rawhide has been broken since the 15th, First due to nss, then rdma-
> core, followed by policycoreutils and setools breakages. 

Could you please share more information about policycoreutils and
setools breakages? I haven't noticed any problem or report and I think
we've tested it. I'd like to prevent these problems in future.

Thanks,

Petr

> it has taken a
> bunch of manual work to get it all figured out, cleaned up and composes
> kicked off, its exactly the types of breakages that I am trying to
> avoid by implementing the change. rawhide as it exists today will still
> exist i the buildsystem. Longer term I would like to extend things to
> do things like automatic rebuilds when we detect breakage. I am sure we
> are not going to get this perfect on day 1, but that over time we will
> improve and make it more and more useful. The goal is to make everyone
> life better. 
> 
> I have started looking at ways to make repos available for early
> testing and debugging problems in builds that have just been built for
> stable fedora's as well. We will have a repo of builds that have been
> built but not released. we will also be working to get notifications to
> developers quicker that a change they made, has broken things. Please
> do not assume that the reason why rawhide is currently a little stale
> is due to intentionally not pushing changes or holding anything back
> because it is not. It is entirely a matter of the type of breakage we
> want to avoid going forward,
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
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