On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 9 December 2016 at 07:41, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Florian Weimer <fweimer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On 12/09/2016 01:22 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >>> We can't predict the future. But if Fedora builders use commercially >>> supported hardware (and not pre-production samples from one of Red Hat's >>> hardware partners), we can benefit from the efforts vendors put into fixing >>> such issues. Otherwise, we will have to reverse-engineer and replicate such >>> workarounds in our own software, which is *very* difficult because vendors >>> are traditionally very tight-lipped about such issues. >> >> I believe all of the builders are commercially supported hardware, or >> the equivalent of such in case of some of the alternative >> architectures. If I remember correctly, on-site support and warranty >> are two things required to get HW into the Fedora datacenter. Again, >> hopefully someone from Infra will confirm. >> > > Builders are a combination of things and depend on the architecture. > The information I am giving may also not be completely accurate and > will require someone from Release Engineering to answer. > > 1) Virtual machines running in kvm (some Dell hardware, some cisco, some ibm?) > 2) Dell hardware systems running Fedora 25 for x86_64/i386 builds. > 3) IBM PPC systems which are sometimes preproduction hardware but > running virtual images. The IBM hardware has never, at least in my time, been pre-production hardware. We've had at times pre-production firmware (for little endian bootstrap) but it was production hardware it was running on. The current hardware is production level Power 8 hardware. > 4) Aarch64 hardware which are either production HP moonshot or > preproduction Mustang systems All the builders for rawhide are VMs running on production "B series" X-gene hardware (HP Moonshot chassis). > 5) s390 virtual systems > 6) arm systems from a no longer around manufacturer. And these will soon (Jan) move to virtual VMs running on the above HP hardware. > Firmware updates depend on the manufacturer and the hardware. The > cisco systems get updates very sporadically, the Dell boxes get every > 6 months and the IBM do not seem to get updates anymore but are under > hardware contract for replacements and such. > > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
