On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 09:20:50PM +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> Which problem are you trying to solve with those proposals? > > From my *other* other mail: > > * predictable calendar dates, to help with long-term planning > Longer cycles are not necessarily mean no slips. I wasn't referring to slipping, but rather what happens when we schedule by starting at the whenever a release ships and add 6-8 months to that. > > * not being on a hamster wheel which routinely bursts into flame > > [...] > > mechanism to users (GNOME, GCC, glibc, have spoken up before, but not > > limited to just those) > How so? By having less frequent releases we'd be skipping more of them. Well, that's where the .1 release idea here came from, rather than just going to purely once-a-year-. > > * maximum PR and user growth > How is less PR (only one event per year) instead of two lead into > "maximum PR" ? Two releases a year ends up barely being an "event", so it's hard to drum up new enthusiasm. I think that adds up to less interest total than we'd get for an annual release. I don't have data for it, but as someone working to do the drumming I'm inclined to give some weight to my own intuition. > > nine-month cycles. That's not necessarily terrible, except a) it's not > > well-aligned with upstreams and b) it makes longer-term planning > > difficult because release times are unpredictable year-to-year. > > Longer term planning of what exactly? And by whom? Are you talking > about fedora's planning or the users? Three things. First, Fedora's overall strategic planning. Second, developers planning when and how to land features — especially ones which will take more than one release. And yeah, finally, users, who definitely want a predicatable lifetime and upgrade pattern. > > The alternative we just tried was: if one cycle goes over six months, > > still target the next one as if it it _hadn't_ - that is, a shorter > > "make up" cycle. In this case, we came out with a great release (again, > > awesome work everyone), but we didn't have much breathing room (and > > ended slipping into the holidays again, > There is no evidence that we slipped into the holidays because of the > shorter cycle (it happens all the time, hence even you wrote "again" > ;) ) But if we had a longer cycle, we could plan breathing room around not doing that. Particularly, October-November-December-January is a minefield while May-June is not so much. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
