On 10/04/2016 01:20 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 10/04/2016 12:51 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> On 10/04/2016 12:06 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >>>> >>>> On Oct 4, 2016 8:52 AM, "Adam Williamson" <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> <mailto:adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Recently several reports of people getting 'duplicated packages' and >>>>> 'kernel updates not working' have come through to us in QA from Fedora >>>>> 24 users. I managed to get one reporter to explain more specifically >>>>> what happened, and it sounds a lot like what's happening is that >>>>> something in the 'dnf update' process can cause a GNOME or X crash, >>>>> possibly depending on hardware or package set installed. When that >>>>> happens, the update process is killed and does not complete cleanly, >>>>> which is why you get 'duplicated packages' and other odd results. >>>> >>>> How hard would it be to make dnf do the rpm transaction inside a proper >>>> system-level service (transient or otherwise)? This would greatly increase >>>> robustness against desktop crashes, ssh connection loss, KillUserProcs, and >>>> other damaging goofs. >>> >>> That seems like a waste of effort, considering we have the offline updates >>> process which just boots into a special, minimalist environment with almost >>> nothing but the updater running. >>> >>> >> >> By that standard, why do we support dnf at all? >> >> $ sudo dnf upgrade >> Error: dnf upgrade is dangerous. Use PackageKit instead and reboot when asked. >> >> I, for one, *like* not rebooting, and I'm perfectly capable of >> rebooting manually if stuff breaks. As far as I know, Fedora >> considers plain ol' dnf to be supported. >> >> For server use, I'm not convinced that the offline update mechanism is >> supported (at the very least, I have no idea how to trigger it), and >> servers have the same issue. > > ``` > sudo pkcon refresh force && \ > sudo pkcon update --only-download && \ > sudo pkcon offline-trigger ** > sudo systemctl reboot > ``` That "**" should have been "&& \"
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