On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:23:12 -0600, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Sat, 2005-01-22 at 21:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Putting this back on the list because you make some good points and this > is a good discussion. Ok thanks > If the Core install CDs give you an option to install from the Extras > CDs at _install_ time, and you have the choice to not accept the > default, then I could be OK with that. I would very much want this to be supported in the installer. adding repositories and selecting packages from the extras and alternatives repo including the ability to install them from kickstart would satisfy everyone I believe. If anyone still has any other problems with fedora core only /only/ the defaults I would like to hear about it > > However, my main concern with moving KDE to Extras is not ISO > organization. It's more of a maintainership issue. valid concern. I already answered this one too to a limited extend . here is a more detailed answer. You might be well aware that kde-redhat.sf.net project has existed for quite sometime and is maintained in a active manner. when fedora extras policy for including packages, redhat or the other members in the community can ask these people and other upstream KDE developers to engage themselves with Redhat. one of the previous concerns with them was that Redhat was making modifications to KDE that was crippling the user experience for KDE ( I am not making that accusation. it just already exists). By moving these into extras and actively inviting the community, it is likely that upstream KDE developers and others would see this as an oppurtunity to build packages and provide a better experience for KDE users on fedora. one of the other benefits of having KDE and other such non default packages outside fedora core is that the amount of software a typical end users installs on his/her system is reduced. ideally someone would step up to make anaconda installer have a minimal setup too. in essence this improves security and increases maintainability. Fedora has a stated policy of staying close with upstream. so package updates dont just include security and bug fixes but also introduces new features. a typical fedora user usually gigabytes of updates because there is no easy way to stay conservative and ignore packages containing new features. I also suggest this capability be introduced in pup and its command line variants too in FC4. > Could you kindly point me to where the "defined goal of including only > defaults" is stated? I can't seem to find it anywhere. To be honest I did look for this in the website too but couldnt find it. It seems to be more of a implicit policy from reading through the previous discussions in this list. feel free to correct me otherwise -- Regards, Rahul Sundaram