=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-03-18) =================================== Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:03 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-18/fesco.2016-03-18-17.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:03) * Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to implement DRM schemes that cannot be disabled (nirik, 17:03:53) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518 (nirik, 17:03:53) * sgallagh will close the ticket and ask firefox maintainer to pull in patch for system dir extensions for now. (nirik, 17:07:50) * Review of delayed Changes for F24 (nirik, 17:07:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552 (nirik, 17:07:55) * modification to "Who is allowed to modify which packages" for Fedora Objectives (nirik, 17:11:30) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561 (nirik, 17:11:31) * AGREED: add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process jwb suggested to wiki. (+5,0,0) (nirik, 17:19:01) * nirik to update wiki (nirik, 17:19:10) * Week after next's chair (nirik, 17:19:23) * ACTION: kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting (nirik, 17:20:01) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:20:18) Meeting ended at 17:25:33 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * kalev * kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (55) * sgallagh (14) * kalev (12) * zodbot (10) * jwb (9) * number80 (4) * dgilmore (1) * paragan (0) * jsmith (0) * maxamillion (0) -- 17:00:03 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2016-03-18) 17:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Mar 18 17:00:03 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:03 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco_(2016-03-18)' 17:00:03 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 17:00:03 <nirik> #chair maxamillion dgilmore number80 jwb nirik paragan jsmith kalev sgallagh 17:00:03 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:00:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jsmith jwb kalev maxamillion nirik number80 paragan sgallagh 17:00:25 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh 17:00:26 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> 17:00:44 <dgilmore> I have a meeting for 15 minutes or so 17:00:58 <number80> .hello hguemar 17:00:58 <zodbot> number80: hguemar 'Haïkel Guémar' <karlthered@xxxxxxxxx> 17:01:00 * nirik waits to see if we get quorum 17:02:53 <nirik> need at least one more. ;) 17:03:09 * kalev appears in a poof of magic. 17:03:35 <nirik> hurray. ;) 17:03:44 <nirik> there's not too much on the docket today... 17:03:53 <nirik> #topic Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to implement DRM schemes that cannot be disabled 17:03:53 <nirik> .fesco 1518 17:03:53 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518 17:03:56 <zodbot> nirik: #1518 (Software packaged in Fedora should not be allowed to implement DRM schemes that cannot be disabled) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1518 17:03:57 <nirik> sgallagh: any news here? 17:04:24 <sgallagh> I'm still waiting on the official word, but my side-channel suggests we move ahead assuming it's coming 17:04:40 <nirik> ok, should we drop the meeting keyword here? or keep it to keep track or ? 17:04:46 <sgallagh> So we should pull in that patch from Debian and run with it 17:05:28 <sgallagh> Just add a note telling Martin to pull in the patch and then close it for now 17:05:48 <nirik> ok. want me to do that, or you want to? 17:05:50 <number80> sounds like a good plan 17:06:34 * kalev nods. 17:07:14 <sgallagh> I will 17:07:27 <nirik> thanks sgallagh 17:07:50 <nirik> #info sgallagh will close the ticket and ask firefox maintainer to pull in patch for system dir extensions for now. 17:07:55 <nirik> #topic Review of delayed Changes for F24 17:07:55 <nirik> .fesco 1552 17:07:55 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552 17:07:56 <zodbot> nirik: #1552 (Review of delayed Changes for F24) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1552 17:08:06 <nirik> ok, we might have just not updated this last week... 17:08:12 <nirik> systemd split is done 17:08:26 <nirik> maxamillion is on pto today 17:08:45 <jwb> my apologies for being late 17:09:00 <nirik> no worries. ;) 17:09:32 <kalev> jwb: http://fpaste.org/342253/83209531/ if you want to catch up with the first 8 minutes :) 17:09:40 <jwb> thank you 17:09:41 <nirik> so, last week we heard that the layered image build setup was deployed in staging and being tested. I think he ran into various problems after that, but I don't know the status 17:09:52 <nirik> I guess we just punt and revisit next week? 17:10:10 <kalev> yeah, probably best to wait for maxamillion 17:10:24 <kalev> we were going to cancel next week's meeting though, right? 17:10:24 <jwb> agreed 17:10:30 <jwb> kalev: yes 17:10:58 <nirik> oh yeah, right. so week after 17:11:30 <nirik> #topic modification to "Who is allowed to modify which packages" for Fedora Objectives 17:11:31 <nirik> .fesco 1561 17:11:31 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561 17:11:32 <zodbot> nirik: #1561 (modification to "Who is allowed to modify which packages" for Fedora Objectives) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1561 17:12:09 <nirik> I'm fine with the change and I like jwb's 'process' :) 17:12:36 <sgallagh> This reminded me. Did we ever execute on dropping sysv-only packages? 17:12:39 <jwb> yeah, i want the focus here to be "get things done" not "file a bunch of tickets and argue" 17:12:50 <sgallagh> That was supposed to happen around branch 17:12:56 <kalev> I really like the idea of having a process of doing systematic cleanups in all spec files 17:13:10 <nirik> sgallagh: I think the dropped the ball. ;( 17:13:24 <nirik> not sure how many are left. 17:13:30 <kalev> even for small things, like drop all ldconfig scriptlets in F25 and then fesco approves the idea and someone just runs a script over all packages 17:13:41 * nirik nods 17:14:33 <kalev> we've been bad in doing systematic cleanups; FPC approves some change and then it takes 3 years for the package collection to catch up 17:14:55 <jwb> :q 17:14:59 <jwb> oops 17:15:02 <nirik> sometimes the changes aren't easy to parse out tho... but sometimes they are. 17:15:12 <kalev> but with a process like this, interested people could just clean up all the packages in one go 17:15:48 <kalev> yeah, not everything can be automated :) 17:16:02 <nirik> sure, provided we are reasonably sure their scripting isn't going to break everything. ;) 17:16:49 <nirik> proposal: add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process jwb suggested to wiki. 17:17:15 <jwb> +1 17:17:23 <nirik> +1 my own proposal 17:17:35 <sgallagh> +1 17:17:36 <number80> +1 17:17:56 * nirik waits for dgilmore to get out of his 15min meeting. ;) 17:18:01 <kalev> +1 17:18:29 <nirik> well, thats +5 anyhow. 17:19:01 <nirik> #agreed add mattdm's entry and also the low overhead process jwb suggested to wiki. (+5,0,0) 17:19:05 <nirik> I can update the wiki 17:19:10 <nirik> #info nirik to update wiki 17:19:23 <nirik> #topic Week after next's chair 17:19:34 <nirik> Who wants it for next meeting (which is not next friday) 17:19:44 <kalev> I can do it 17:19:59 <sgallagh> Warning: the next meeting is on April 1st 17:20:01 <nirik> #action kalev to chair 2016-04-01 meeting 17:20:13 <nirik> that makes us all april fools? ;) 17:20:18 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:20:25 <nirik> anyone have any items for open floor? 17:20:25 <number80> I'll be missing due to a FOSS convention at the same time 17:21:01 <sgallagh> I have one item 17:21:26 <jwb> i will be absent the next 3 weeks. 17:21:28 <sgallagh> In case anyone missed it, I'm going to be stepping down from the Server WG in the next couple weeks. As such, there wil need to be a new liaison. 17:21:51 <sgallagh> The Server WG will probably nominate someone, but I thought it would be good to mention. 17:21:52 <nirik> sgallagh: are you stepping down from fesco too? or just working group and liasion? 17:22:10 <sgallagh> nirik: I am planning to at least serve out my current term 17:22:18 <nirik> ok, great. ;) 17:22:22 <sgallagh> I haven't made a decision about running for re-election :) 17:23:03 <nirik> ok 17:23:35 <nirik> anything else from anyone? 17:24:21 * nirik will close out in a minute if nothing else. 17:25:30 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone! 17:25:33 <nirik> #endmeeting
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