On 10.2.2016 13:41, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Petr Viktorin <pviktori@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On 02/09/2016 08:26 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> >>> Second, why call it python-*, not python3-*? I think it'll >>> be endlessly confusing to have both python*- (v3), python2-* (v2), >>> and python3-* (v3) mixed in the same distro. >> >> The assumption is that the basic system tools can agree on a single, >> system-wide version of Python, and in case of a "Python 4" they can be >> switched at once. >> "python-*" is v2, by the way. This change adds "system-python" which is v3. > > I think this kind of implies something that isn't clearly stated in > the Change itself. Namely, that the system-python version is > independent of any other python version installed on the machine. One > of the benefits(?) of that independence is that system-python can > upgrade to newer python versions as soon as the tools that use it are > ready (or all can be ported at once). This doesn't impact the > machine's regular python install at all. Or if it is more beneficial > to keep system-python at an older version because the tools are not > ready, that is also possible without holding anything else back. > > From a modularity perspective, this is a "Good Thing". It allows us > to provide system tools that can be used to manage modules, without > having to worry about dependencies of the module breaking the tooling > itself. E.g. A app needs python-3.5.4 but the system tools need > python-3.2. In today's world, we're stuck until they can be synced. > With system-python, a user could install the python-3.5.4 module for > the machine use, and the system-tools still function without issue. > > (Forgive me if my contrived version numbers don't make sense. I'm not > a python developer and it's an example. Don't get bogged down in > technical details.) > > Yes, this is somewhat a form of bundling, with the implied security > aspects. That is a main issue that needs solving in-general for > modularity and frankly, we need to figure it out. > > josh I had this in mind as well, but currently, this is not the part of the change. Once we need this and we have system-python, we can propose a system wide change that system-python is a different version. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
