On Fri, Oct 02, 2015 at 02:11:46PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >This harms Fedora but not the upstream project which bundles. > Exactly. This "bundling everything" is upstream-centric. It's > convenient to them, but it's harmful to wider system integration. Toshio explained one time that Fedora has generally chosen to take pain up front rather than defer it. I think that's an appropriate way to look at this. The proposed policy change is meant to turn those knobs a little bit to a different setting, choosing to reduce initial pain significantly — even though we know that it does increase the risk of pain later. Historically, the approach we have chosen has been very beneficial to users, sysadmins, and Fedora packagers. But, history doesn't continue in the same way forever. The computing landscape has changed significantly. I think we're taking too much pain with our current policies, to the point where the theoretical deferred benefit is overwhelmed by the downsides. To me, Stephen's proposal preserves the key lessons from history where it matters most while also reducing the barrier to entry in a way that will significantly benefit the project, increase adoption of Fedora as a platform, and advance our mission overall. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct