On 10. 4. 2015 at 17:50:08, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 10.04.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: > > W dniu 10.04.2015 o 16:29, Reindl Harald pisze: > >> well, that so called "crap" was in the past helpful to find out *which* > >> package pulls a cross-dep-chain while in the past 2 years yum also more > >> and more crippeled it's output > >> > >> it was also helpful in case deps where broken to find out the origin > >> package responsible for and not only once i decided to remove a specific > >> package because of that informations > >> > >> in short: that "crap" was helpful to reach to a minimum stripped down > >> systems over the years > > > > I have no doubt that it was useful in some cases. But probably 90+% of > > yum users did not cared about it at all > > but did they got hurted? > unlikely > > i really hate that attitude calling remove visible informations > "usability" while systemd on the other hand spits the logs full of > irrelevant informations all day long by burry the relevant ones We are talking about information that is irrelevant in 90+% of yum runs (allegedly, I wouldn't dare estimating this number myself). Hiding such information by default while making it available to people who really care about it sounds like a nice usability feature to me. Now, I admit that the second half is limping a bit. The information is available but it's not as easily accessible as you want it to be. If you want to help us, I invite you to write a plugin that will show the information you seek in a way you see fit. Thanks Jan -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
