On Mon, 2015-03-30 at 16:48 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > Dictating use of BZ is usually a futile effort, in Fedora. We have > > a > > policy on it which is in practice rarely observed by anyone. What > > should or should not be the cause is pretty much moot: what *is* > > the > > case is that it makes sense to some of our BZ users to not treat > > CLOSED in the way you advocate. BZ is, fundamentally, a tool, and > > tools usually get used in the way that makes sense to the user. > > Ah, so true. Except "user" is just as ambiguous as bug state. The > component owner is just as much a user as the reporter. That is the definition I was working with, yeah. I tend to see the people who own the bugs as the main users of Bugzilla, not the people who report them. > It might make > sense to one user to not discuss bugs in CLOSED where to another user > it does. Indeed, this is sort of the point I was trying to make; that it's not necessarily safe to make universal assumptions like 'if the bug's closed, no-one will want notifications about requested actions'. > Having the metadata around the bug editable by anyone is > really kind of a bad design. So much confusion. It's not actually editable by anyone, in fact there's rather a complex permissions system somewhat hidden behind the scenes. If you're a packager you don't much notice it because you mostly have permission to do most things (though not quite *everything*, see e.g. review flags) on any bug (you have 'editbugs' permissions). People who aren't packagers (or QA team members, or a couple of other ways you can get 'editbugs') don't have that, and can only make changes (besides adding comments and attachments) to bugs they submitted (or bugs that are assigned to them, but just about anyone who can own bugs has 'editbugs' anyhow). > TLDR; bugzilla is terrible (but it's the best thing we have). The > only data that actually matters is that which is contained in the > comments section, and even that is pretty suspect most days. Sure. Basically what I'm saying is, if you're scripting interactions with Bugzilla, you need to be aware of the fact that there is no single universal workflow, different 'users' (however you define that) use it differently and your tool/script should account for that. When all's said and done, maybe the thing that makes most sense for this 'notify of requested actions' *is* 'don't send any notifications for closed bugs', but even if it is, that's a 'least worst option' decision, not a 'this is obviously correct' decision. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
