On 16 January 2015 at 01:31, Bohuslav Kabrda <bkabrda@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Honza Horak wrote:
> > * Fedora Rings (hhorak, 12:03:21)
> [snip]
> > * IDEA: definition of ring 1 is a minimal set of packages that give
> > you a functional system, with some sort of approval (hhorak,
> > 13:31:21)
> > * IDEA: ring 1 should be self-hosted -- because you want to build very
> > solid important packages using very solid important packages
> > (hhorak, 13:31:21)
>
> In other words, Fedora Core all over again? Been there, done that…
>
> Kevin Kofler
Not all of us were there. So what's the problem with that?
Fedora Core was seen by many developers as "You either work in the small team of Red Hatters and get stuff done" or "You are a volunteer or someone at Red Hat who isn't part of the cool group and don't get stuff done."
If you were an "Outsider" and worked on a package that all of a sudden was "core" you found your version no longer was the one being worked on.
Inside of the Core team it was a giant pressure cooker of "We have to get this out the f'ing door now and don't have time to talk."
So it took 3 releases (5 if you count RHL 8 and RHL 9) for "Extras" to be actually accepted as being something that could be done, and it took 3-4 more releases before Core could be unwound and "outside developers" to be considered "essential developers".
Because this proposal is tone deaf to that history it can come across as insulting in various ways.
Stephen J Smoogen.
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