Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Hedayat Vatankhah <hedayat.fwd@xxxxxxxxx> · Sat, 03 Jan 2015 00:45:58 +0330



      Luya Tshimbalanga wrote on Fri, 02 Jan 2015
      12:25:49 -0800:
    
      
      On 01/01/15 04:21 PM, Hedayat
        Vatankhah wrote:

      
        Well, I was really surprised that developers are considered a
        target audience here. GNOME Software *might* be considered good
        enough for normal users, but its far from usable for a
        developer; even a developer who don't want to touch the
        terminal. Actually, it is *terrible* for such a developer. Why?

        
      From what I understand, Gnome Software is intended for front-end
      applications only.

    
    Probably true, but it already includes fonts and input sources. So,
    someone has felt that 'front-end applications only' is too narrow.
    Now, where you can draw the line?

    
       1.
        He search for "C++" and .... (I doubt that it tries to interpret
        it as a regular _expression_ or something. Probably it thinks that
        the user is an idiot and removes "+" signs on behalf of him).

      
      DevAssistant application available by default on Fedora
      Workstation is designed for that purpose. 

    
    Did you try that? The problem with searching for "C++" is that it
    will list almost all applications (probably it searches for "C"). So
    it has nothing to do with DevAssistant.

    
       2.
        He has installed Eclipse + CDT and hopefully he can compile his
        C++ programs with GCC. Now, he learns about Clang and would like
        to try it.

      
      Clang is a compiler that be installed as an add-ons for Eclipse.
      That is very much an request of enhancement for IDEs installation
      in Gnome Software.

    
    So, every IDE should have a 'clang' addon? and also a gcc addon? At
    least, if 'shared' add-ons are available things will be much easier.
    

    I wonder why people want to split developers into two categories:
    GUI-only and Terminal-only? Why there couldn't be a "GUI as much as
    possible developer"? Such a developer will prefer to install
    autotools and clang/gcc using a GUI application, then open a
    terminal and run "./configure && make && sudo make
    install" in shell? Why do people think that a developer which wants
    (actually, since currently there are no(?) GUI ways to do configure,
    make and make install, he is forced) to use terminal should be
    'punished' to use command line for installing the tools he need?

    
    (Well, hopefully in future there will be a tool (DevAssistant?)
    which can help you to configure, compile and install a package from
    source. Then, it can have gcc/clang/... compilers as its addons too;
    so it's become more practical to have GUI-only developers who don't
    need to install a compiler directly).

    
        GNOME Software is not that useful for a developer. As Rechard
        himself said, he'll need a package manager anyway. So, If
        Workstation product really targets developers, specially the
        ones who don't want to use terminal, it MUST include a graphical
        package manager.

        
      There are developers unaware of the concept of package manager
      which does not help. Gnome Software is actually useful once the
      add-ons functionality is fully expanded on applications. Works
      need to be done allowing a seamless integration.   

    
    Add-ons cannot cover development libraries, unless every library is
    an add-on for all IDEs!

    
    Regards,

    Hedayat

    
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