Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

Hedayat Vatankhah <hedayat.fwd@xxxxxxxxx> · Fri, 02 Jan 2015 03:51:48 +0330



      Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx>
      wrote on Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:05:00 -0600:
    On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Alec Leamas
      <leamas.alec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

      
        Possibly.
          But isn't there quite a difference between the "novice user"
          and the Fedora Workstation target user i. e., developers?
        
      
      Not necessarily. I wrote:
      

      "Yes, Workstation targets developers, but not exclusively,
        and also developers who use fancy IDEs and who don't work with
        the terminal. I just don't want this thread to degenerate into a
        discussion of this lousy definition [of normal/novice users],
        since it's not important. What's important is that we want
        Workstation to be excellent for users who never touch the
        terminal."
      

      Fedora currently suffers from the impression that it is a
        complicated OS for advanced users only, and that novices
        (including novice developers) should use Ubuntu instead.
      

    Well, I was really surprised that developers are considered a target
    audience here. GNOME Software *might* be considered good enough for
    normal users, but its far from usable for a developer; even a
    developer who don't want to touch the terminal. Actually, it is
    *terrible* for such a developer. Why?

    
    1. He search for "C++" and .... (I doubt that it tries to interpret
    it as a regular _expression_ or something. Probably it thinks that the
    user is an idiot and removes "+" signs on behalf of him).

    2. He has installed Eclipse + CDT and hopefully he can compile his
    C++ programs with GCC. Now, he learns about Clang and would like to
    try it.

    3. He is using an x86_64 system, but he happen to need to compile
    his program for 32bit systems. or even cross-compile for ARM.

    4. He needs a networking library, or want to use Boost, or ....

    
    GNOME Software is not that useful for a developer. As Rechard
    himself said, he'll need a package manager anyway. So, If
    Workstation product really targets developers, specially the ones
    who don't want to use terminal, it MUST include a graphical package
    manager.

    
    Regards,

    Hedayat

    
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