On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:47:20PM -0500, Mike Pinkerton wrote: > As best I can tell from Matthew Miller's responses there, Fedora has > abandoned that portion of its previous user base that was using > Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. That's.... _very much_ not what I said. > Those users are no longer supported by any Fedora product. Fedora has never had anything like the new Cloud/Server/Workstation. Existing users are supported in the same way they always have been. Installing Workstation and applying > • Install Fedora 20, update it, then fedup to "nonproduct" variant > of Fedora 21; or I don't really understand the logic here. Why would you go that route? This seems like a very catastrophic overreaction. Have you tried Fedora 21 Workstation? Installing Workstation and applying whatever changes you prefer to rearch your target seems like the easiest path. But... > • Use the server net install to install a minimal system as a > "nonproduct" variant of Fedora 21, and then install a long list of > packages needed to convert it into a general desktop OS. ... this is also a good approach. It's definitely what I've always done in creating systems for people I needed to support. But "long list" seems to again be catastrophizing the situation. We have packages grouped in comps and in install environments so it's really not all that complicated. > My users are accustomed to Gnome, so I prefer not to change to one > of the alternative desktop environment spins if there is an easy way > forward with Gnome. If you, or any other collaborators, would like to build a GNOME-based spin targeting a different use case, not only is there nothing stopping you, it's encouraged. Take a look here: <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process#Creating_a_Spin>. It's not that difficult (basically, the same as the above in kickstart form, plus the commitment to keep it up to date and do minimal testing). -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct