Am 22.09.2014 um 16:48 schrieb Sérgio Basto: > On Seg, 2014-09-22 at 16:08 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> no you refuse to understand that *nobody* wants to split >> out *all* systemd logs because just the excessive *user >> session* logging and that this messages should not exist >> at all in a non-debugging environment > > IIUC , this messages doesn't exist in a non-debugging environment since > ends of Apr [1], or I shut up this messages somehow , I don't > remember ... * i shut up them with "loginctl enable-linger" * that's a workaround * doing so in F20 to prevent forget with F21 leads to another bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1088619#c54 it is even *possible* that it was changed but if so it shows several problems: * nobody knows, people already built workarounds * it takes too long for any reaction on such issues so that people can't or won't wait for a response and try to find bugreports because lost hope that things become better in a reasonable time * the reaction close with "NOTABUG" after weeks of ignore is wrong frankly that was once introduced even in F19 backports and quickly fixed while also point to "loginctl enable-linger" which is *really* a dirty workaround leading the user sessions are started at boot before the first cronjob fires up which wastes ressources at boot only that it was fixed in a short because that backport was not targeted for F19 shows how easy it could be changed if upstream would care about downstream in any way look at the response from Johann directed to downstream in general, Fedora and FeSCO in special and the repeatet responses "we are upstream and this and that are downstream problems we don't care" shows how terrible wrong things are going a upstream of a *critical core componentent* with a "i don't care about downstream" attitude is only one thing: dangerous
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