On 26. 8. 2014 at 14:55:34, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 26.8.2014 14:23, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): > > On Tue, 26.08.14 14:18, Vít Ondruch (vondruch@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > >>>> Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping > >>>> into > >>>> some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] > >>>> are > >>>> good examples. Please consider moving daemon parts into independent > >>>> subpackages. When I install rsync/subversion, I am typically interested > >>>> just in client side. > >>>> > >>>> Just to be clear, systemd-libs is in minimal build root already, so I > >>>> am > >>>> not complaining about systemd-libs package, but about systemd package. > >>> > >>> What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if you > >>> want to minimize them, you have a loooong way to go... > >> > >> Someone has to start somewhere. It is annoying to install several > >> packages, when you expect that only one should be installed. And by > >> coincidence, I met several of systemd dependencies during short period > >> of time. > > > > What I am not getting: what's the point? I mean, systemd is not exactly > > an optional package in Fedora. > > > > You are asking people to split their packages in two, but what's the > > real reason for that? If the systemd package isn't optional anyway, why > > is this the dep you start with and asking people to complicate things > > for? > > > > Lennart > > Isn't it optional? I am using mock and can build probably every ruby > package without *systemd* package installed into the build root (I am > not speaking about *systemd-libs*). But once I install one of man, > subversion or rsync packages, systemd is suddenly pulled in, why? Why it > should be? I have to agree with Vít here. Unnecessary dependencies are not something anyone should be advocating, whatever the reason might be. By the same logic you offer, systemd dependencies can be removed from all of the mentioned packages, as it's safe to assume systemd is core part of the system and will therefore be installed. Thanks Jan -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
