Dne 26.8.2014 14:23, Lennart Poettering napsal(a): > On Tue, 26.08.14 14:18, Vít Ondruch (vondruch@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > >>>> Recently I have noticed that systemd package dependency is creeping into >>>> some packages where it is not necessary. subversion [1] or rsync [2] are >>>> good examples. Please consider moving daemon parts into independent >>>> subpackages. When I install rsync/subversion, I am typically interested >>>> just in client side. >>>> >>>> Just to be clear, systemd-libs is in minimal build root already, so I am >>>> not complaining about systemd-libs package, but about systemd package. >>> What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if you >>> want to minimize them, you have a loooong way to go... >> Someone has to start somewhere. It is annoying to install several >> packages, when you expect that only one should be installed. And by >> coincidence, I met several of systemd dependencies during short period >> of time. > What I am not getting: what's the point? I mean, systemd is not exactly > an optional package in Fedora. > > You are asking people to split their packages in two, but what's the > real reason for that? If the systemd package isn't optional anyway, why > is this the dep you start with and asking people to complicate things > for? > > Lennart > Isn't it optional? I am using mock and can build probably every ruby package without *systemd* package installed into the build root (I am not speaking about *systemd-libs*). But once I install one of man, subversion or rsync packages, systemd is suddenly pulled in, why? Why it should be? You can try session like this yourself: $ mock -r fedora-rawhide-i386 --init INFO: mock.py version 1.1.41 starting... Start: init plugins INFO: selinux enabled Finish: init plugins Start: run Start: lock buildroot Start: clean chroot INFO: chroot (/var/lib/mock/fedora-rawhide-i386) unlocked and deleted Finish: clean chroot Finish: lock buildroot Start: chroot init Start: lock buildroot Mock Version: 1.1.41 INFO: Mock Version: 1.1.41 INFO: calling preinit hooks INFO: enabled root cache Start: unpacking root cache Finish: unpacking root cache INFO: enabled yum cache Start: cleaning yum metadata Finish: cleaning yum metadata INFO: enabled ccache Start: device setup Finish: device setup Start: yum update Finish: yum update Finish: lock buildroot Finish: chroot init INFO: Installed packages: Finish: run $ mock -r fedora-rawhide-i386 shell INFO: mock.py version 1.1.41 starting... Start: init plugins INFO: selinux enabled Finish: init plugins Start: run Start: lock buildroot Start: device setup Finish: device setup Start: shell <mock-chroot>[root@unused-4-226 /]# svn --help bash: svn: command not found <mock-chroot>[root@unused-4-226 /]# # Ah, no subversion <mock-chroot>[root@unused-4-226 /]# logout Finish: shell Finish: lock buildroot $ mock -r fedora-rawhide-i386 --install subversion INFO: mock.py version 1.1.41 starting... Start: init plugins INFO: selinux enabled Finish: init plugins Start: run Mock Version: 1.1.41 INFO: Mock Version: 1.1.41 Start: lock buildroot INFO: installing package(s): subversion INFO: ================================================================================ Package Arch Version Repository Size ================================================================================ Installing: subversion i686 1.8.10-2.fc22 fedora 1.2 M Installing for dependencies: acl i686 2.2.52-7.fc22 fedora 76 k apr i686 1.5.1-3.fc22 fedora 118 k apr-util i686 1.5.3-3.fc22 fedora 98 k cryptsetup-libs i686 1.6.6-1.fc22 fedora 188 k dbus i686 1:1.8.6-3.fc22 fedora 332 k dbus-libs i686 1:1.8.6-3.fc22 fedora 169 k device-mapper i686 1.02.88-2.fc22 fedora 221 k device-mapper-libs i686 1.02.88-2.fc22 fedora 276 k fipscheck i686 1.4.1-7.fc22 fedora 25 k fipscheck-lib i686 1.4.1-7.fc22 fedora 15 k kmod i686 18-3.fc22 fedora 112 k kmod-libs i686 18-3.fc22 fedora 62 k libseccomp i686 2.1.1-5.fc22 fedora 44 k libserf i686 1.3.7-2.fc22 fedora 58 k python i686 2.7.8-6.fc22 fedora 91 k qrencode-libs i686 3.4.2-4.fc22 fedora 56 k subversion-libs i686 1.8.10-2.fc22 fedora 1.1 M systemd i686 216-2.fc22 fedora 4.9 M Transaction Summary ================================================================================ Install 1 Package (+18 Dependent packages) Total size: 9.1 M Total download size: 2.6 M Installed size: 33 M http://less.cogeco.net/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/i386/os/Packages/a/apr-1.5.1-3.fc22.i686.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 - Not Found Trying other mirror. http://less.cogeco.net/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/i386/os/Packages/s/subversion-libs-1.8.10-2.fc22.i686.rpm: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 - Not Found Trying other mirror. Installed: subversion.i686 0:1.8.10-2.fc22 Dependency Installed: acl.i686 0:2.2.52-7.fc22 apr.i686 0:1.5.1-3.fc22 apr-util.i686 0:1.5.3-3.fc22 cryptsetup-libs.i686 0:1.6.6-1.fc22 dbus.i686 1:1.8.6-3.fc22 dbus-libs.i686 1:1.8.6-3.fc22 device-mapper.i686 0:1.02.88-2.fc22 device-mapper-libs.i686 0:1.02.88-2.fc22 fipscheck.i686 0:1.4.1-7.fc22 fipscheck-lib.i686 0:1.4.1-7.fc22 kmod.i686 0:18-3.fc22 kmod-libs.i686 0:18-3.fc22 libseccomp.i686 0:2.1.1-5.fc22 libserf.i686 0:1.3.7-2.fc22 python.i686 0:2.7.8-6.fc22 qrencode-libs.i686 0:3.4.2-4.fc22 subversion-libs.i686 0:1.8.10-2.fc22 systemd.i686 0:216-2.fc22 Finish: lock buildroot Finish: run I would expect that I'll install subversion, may be some other small library, but I don't expect to install 33 MB of stuff in 18 packages. Vít -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
