As requested on this ticket, I'm opening this up for discussion. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1332 There's a proposal to retire packages quite quickly (I think) after they are orphaned. At the moment packages are retired once per release. A notice is posted on devel list, see for example: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-August/188490.html The proposal is to change this to 4 weeks after the package is orphaned, assuming no maintainer picks up the package within that time. It's my belief that: (a) The reason for wanting packages to be retired so quickly has not been made clear by rel-eng. (b) The biggest reason for people to use one distro over another is based on number of packages available to be installed. By retiring packages more quickly we inevitably reduce this number thereby making Fedora less popular. (c) An orphaned package is not necessarily a risk ("security" has been mentioned here ...). Just because it might be a risk on rare occasions doesn't mean we have to throw out every orphaned package. Security bugs can sit around in non-orphaned packages too. (d) 4 weeks is too short. Some people go on holiday for this long. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-df lists disk usage of guests without needing to install any software inside the virtual machine. Supports Linux and Windows. http://people.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-df/ -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct