On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 15:54 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 13:04:54 -0400, > Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >Similarly, there are a great many useful Ruby libraries and > >applications out there for which unbundling them would be an exercise > >in futility. Ask yourself which is more important to most users: > >1) My OS is perfectly maintainable by engineers. > >or > >2) My OS lets me install the software I need without hassle. > > This can result in more work when there are security events. One thing > I was happy about with Fedora is that by updating openssl and restarting > services I am pretty sure I have blocked that attack. Who is going to do > the work searching for bundled libraries when similar events occur in > the future? I agree with this sentiment about security. I am torn between the raised points 1 and 2. There are many cases where the desire for 2 causes issues because the issues at hand aren't understood. If I wanted to install my awesome software, but then I complain something else isn't working. This blog post is a great example: http://blog.tridgell.net/?p=141 Could this not create more noise on bugzilla because of accidents in playground? There are many cases where people make mistakes about where an error lies (I myself have done it a few times) I understand that Fedora and especially the "playground" would come, no warranty implied. But surely we must aim for a base quality standard? Instead of this, why not just add a feature in copr to allow a user to link multiple copr builds together to one repository? Or even a "user repository" that just offers all that users packages in one place? That would seem to be a good middle ground. Copr is a useful tool for testing packages in the build system, and for me, building things to get them onto my systems before the are accepted to fedora, but I also don't feel comfortable installing a playground where "every and any developer built package" may end up on my system (Unless I am misinterpreting the playground idea ... ) -- William Brown <william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
