----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher" <ctubbsii@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Deepak Bhole" <dbhole@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:29:55 PM > Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Java 8 > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Deepak Bhole <dbhole@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > * Christopher <ctubbsii@xxxxxxxxxx> [2014-03-25 19:59]: > >> I also would like to see 1.7.0 stick around for awhile. Not > >> necessarily as the default, but at least available in the repos. As it > >> stands, it's difficult to use a modern Fedora on projects that are > >> still developing against JDK 1.6. > >> > > > > Unfortunately, OpenJDK7 will be EOLd in April 2015[1], which is within > > the support time-frame of the F21. This is one the reasons why we would > > like to be able to switch over to OpenJDK8 asap for F21. > > > > 1: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html > > I don't see how Oracle tentatively dropping long-term public support > for 7 means that Fedora needs can no longer provide OpenJDK7 in its > repos (not as default, of course), with or without additional updates, > for developers who want to use a modern Fedora, but need to develop > for applications/hardware that requires strict 7 compatibility. > > The alternative is Fedora fans will be forced to use an older version > of Fedora, use a different Linux distro, or find some hackish > workaround (yum --releasever=20 ...; which is problematic, because > every version 8 update will obsolete 7, just like 7 currently does > with 6 packages), or download untrusted 3rd party packages. > > It seems to me that support in Fedora would be pretty easy: just make > sure it doesn't cause a packaging conflict and recommend the newer > JDK8. Maybe call it -compat? But, I defer to the experts on Fedora > packaging/support policies and decisions. I'm just a user, and don't > know all the implications for trying to include it. I just think it'd > be nice to keep around. It's not that easy and simple. Most Java developer don't bother setting their target classfile format in their build scripts, resulting in new builds using new bytecode thus not usable on Java 7 at all, resulting in Java 7 not being usable for pretty much anything in Fedora repository. This might sound like a simple task to do but if you multiply it by few hundred packages have to be audited and all the complications coming from the variety of build systems it becomes a huge investment of time to have Java 8 as default and keep compat with Java 7. Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team > > > Deepak > > > >> -- > >> Christopher L Tubbs II > >> http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov > >> <akurtako@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > Please keep java 1.7.0 around for some time. It would make moving easier > >> > if we have to jump back for a build or two. > >> > > >> > Alexander Kurtakov > >> > Red Hat Eclipse team > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Omair Majid" <omajid@xxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > >> >> <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:07:39 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Java 8 > >> >> > >> >> * Mikolaj Izdebski <mizdebsk@xxxxxxxxxx> [2014-03-24 11:55]: > >> >> > That's exactly the problem. We need to use a modified version of > >> >> > java-1.8.0-openjdk with extra provides and adjusted priorities for > >> >> > alternatives. > >> >> > >> >> I have started a new java-1.8.0-openjdk build that should fix this: > >> >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=506921 > >> >> > >> >> > Blocking java-1.7.0-oepnjdk may also be required. This > >> >> > makes it impossible to scratch-build Java packages using f21-build > >> >> > target in current state. > >> >> > >> >> Is there anything I can/should do here? Shall I file a rel-eng ticket > >> >> to > >> >> block java-1.7.0-openjdk? Would it be worth waiting a little while to > >> >> ensure that there are no show-stopper bugs in java-1.8.0-openjdk? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Omair > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> PGP Key: 66484681 (http://pgp.mit.edu/) > >> >> Fingerprint = F072 555B 0A17 3957 4E95 0056 F286 F14F 6648 4681 > >> >> -- > >> >> devel mailing list > >> >> devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > >> >> Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > >> > -- > >> > devel mailing list > >> > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > >> > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > >> -- > >> devel mailing list > >> devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > >> Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > > -- > > devel mailing list > > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
