Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx> · Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:27:58 +0000



    On 03/24/2014 06:50 PM, Stephen John
      Smoogen wrote:

    
          On 24 March 2014 12:18, Lennart
            Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx>
            wrote:

            
              It's a pity though that nobody in Fedora is actively
              working on getting

              rid of legacy cruft. I really wished we had some people
              who oversee

              deprecating things more proactively, figure out how to
              deprecate things,

              write stub code to provide smooth transitions, write
              release notes and

              so on. Being at the bleeding edge of things also means
              deciding that

              some things really should go, from time to time... Besides
              deprecating

              old cruft like libwrap, this would also mean removing all
              the old crap

              from comps "standard" that we still install by default
              (894110)...

              
            Old cruft is in the OS because for some set of people
              it is useful, and it is very hard to design around stuff
              people think should be there because it was there before.
              The only way to get around that is to build something
              completely new with a different 'brand' which does not
              have expectations from people already there. I think you
              would have a better chance starting from a ground zero and
              putting new wine in a new winesack versus trying to put it
              in an old one and then wondering why it keeps bursting.
          
        
    It has been tried and tested and the people that suggested that ( me
    in particular in relation with the serverWG ) got burned on the
    stakes, accused wanting to "fork" Fedora for suggesting just that as
    in cleaning and implementing the output from that work in a
    separated repository's under a new brand until we were confident
    enough to with that effort and drop replace Fedora as we know it
    with that effort.

    
    The fact is there is a lot of legacy cruff we should be removing as
    well as doing other necessary cleanups to make Fedora agile again
    for the upcoming changes in the IT industry landscape.

    
    But certain people seem to rather want to drown Fedora in
    bureaucracy and vague future proposals and working groups instead of
    doing what needs to be done.

    
    JBG

  
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