On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 19:03 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Hi! > > On 03.01.2014 19:14, Matthew Miller wrote: > > […] So those are my things. What do you think about them? What > > else should be included? What different directions should we > > consider? How will we make Fedora more awesome than ever in the > > coming year? > > Okay, I'll bite (after thinking whether writing this mail is worth it): > > I'm still undecided if I overall like Fedora.next or fear it. But more > and more I tend to the latter position and wonder if it might be wise > to slow things down: Do one more Fedora release the old style in round > about June; NO NO NO NO NO NO OH CHRIST NO. Actually, I agree with quite a lot of what you're saying; I think 21 is too early for this .next stuff and have done for a while. But that doesn't mean that if we punt .next we can release in June. Several teams have been working on the explicit understanding - as agreed by FESCo at an earlier meeting - that F21 will not be released until, at the earliest, late August *no matter what happens*. We cannot change that to June now. It would cause extreme inconvenience for QA and other teams, which in turn would result in a bad release. I'm fine with punting on .next, but I am absolutely not fine with releasing in June. Even if F21 is an old-school release, it needs to be in late August or later, as has already explicitly been stated. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct