I'm sorry, but you're forgetting one major thing. Sure there are lots of developers that ignore best practices. There is nothing new. But there is also a lot of users that do understand best practices and do want the apps packaged in a clean way. The apps are not packaged because the developers wanted them packaged they are packaged because users wanted them. The opinion of developers on deployment issues is, frankly, 100% irrelevant. The vast mass of developers that don't want to think about deployment issues are not the people you should base your decisions about deployment on. The developers that did think about the problem, do not react as the people you take as example. They have the option to ignore distro packaging, and they are execising it, and they complain that users are not happy about it, but repainting deployment in developer colors when that is not what the users ask for is not going to make anyone happy. The user will complain about a result that does not match his expectations and think the distro sucks. The developer will complain users still complains and consider the distro still suck. End result: a lot of work for no one happy. All the energy expended on scl and making developer-friendly deployments is like asking designers to correct application code, coders to make design decisions, marketing people to make engineering decisions or engineers to behave as salespeople. All those are different jobs. All those require prioritising different elements. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct