On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 01:29:58PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 11/19/2013 11:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 19.11.2013 17:15, schrieb Stanislav Ochotnicky: > >>> I mean (and sorry that I wasn't clear), why the choice to make > >>> java-headless the special case? Especially if (as it appears > >>> from the reply to Jerry James), most packages in Fedora will > >>> only need the headless version. > >>> > >>> (So the headless version would be the java package, The > >>> version with the gui nevironmen deps would be java-x11 or > >>> similar). > >> > >> If someone wanted to install just OpenJDK for their own in-house > >> Java application they would have to know to request full -x11 > >> version. I would wager we'd be receiving a lot of bugs if we went > >> this way. If someone needs headless they will be actively looking > >> for it. If they want "java" they will not consider that they > >> might get incomplete version. Not to mention possible 3rd party > >> RPMs that might exist > > <nod> > > what about having a "java-1.7.0-openjdk" meta-package obsoleting > > the existing one and pulling *both* but decide if Fedora packages > > if the headless is enough for dependencies and so packagers of > > sevrer software can require this? > > > > this way you would have the least surprise for someone who does not > > care about the difference and expects the full one by install > > "java-1.7.0-openjdk" but make it really easy to uninstall any > > graphical dependencies on servers > > > > > > > > I agree with Reindl here, if I understand him correctly. It would > certainly break upgrades in an unexpected way if an upgrade from > "java-1.7.0-openjdk" suddenly stopped carrying the graphical components. > Note -- I think that the way the feature has things constructed would achieve something similar. The java package is essentially java-x11. It would Require: java-headless. So yum install java will get you the java w/X11 support. [...] > > I think it would be wise to do the same for Java. Create > 'java-openjdk-1.7.0-headless' and 'java-openjdk-1.7.0--x11' and then > have the 'java-openjdk-1.7.0' metapackage install both of them. > I can see one advantage to this approach: it lets us tell packagers that Requires: java should no longer be used. Packagers should determine whether they're using APIs that require X and either Requires: java-x11 or Requires: java-headless based on what they really need. We can then audit the packageset at a later date to determine which packages haven't adjusted their Requirements yet. -Toshio
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